Re: best value bet of all time
 

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Becuase there is a chance the players cheatin may read the 2+2 boards

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and do what b/c f it? Quit cheating? Explain their actions? (which could be true or could be used against them)

HHs are always going to be there.

I guess AP could set up a sting if they didnt know

(Just Jealous I dont know the story)

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HHs are always going to be there.

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But their money may not

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HHs are always going to be there.

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But their money may not

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touche

was it really looking like there was some validity to the claims?

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Not really for me to say. I've never played against them and the players looking over the HH are better than I can ever hope to be. I still scream "Rigged" when ever Palomino beats me.

Some of the hand histories posted were disgusting, but I've seen some pretty stupid stuff in my day. Tons of capped Flop and Turn spots and all of a sudden the river is c/f. According to the people who have played with them, the PT was sick. Obscene PF numbers and Godly showdown. The regulars who played the high limit games all the time said they have never seen a winning player with the PT numbers they have PF. and the river play always perfect, had a 13 river aggression.

Thats all I'm going to repeat of the thread. I think that if the cheaters were going to figure out poeple wer eon to them they already have, but I'm going to respect the High Stakes players wish to not have the thread known anymore. I'm be pissed if it was my money. I have a bunch of people who I concider friends who play on AP and even if we play nothing higher than 10-20 I felt I should warn them. I'm guessing someone has already contacted AP and that they're already looking into this.

Normally I dont believe in the "Teh internetz is rigged!" stuff but when players and 2+2 mods like Leader, Schneids, and Dean say that the PT these guys are putting up arent possible then I'm going to give it serious credability.

Damn, I was going to finally move up to where they respekt my raises and try $500-$1000 this week on aP too.

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normally i'm very sceptical of all this hacking/cheating/bots crap, but i've always like all1n and take him at his word, if he honestly believes theres something fishy i might be some what more selective because i do play alot of HU, however i am running sickly hot over 50k hands now at abs so meh

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would depend on what level you play. These guys obviously arent wasting their time in the low limits.

Not that I can tell you a whole lot more than you can figure out but if anyone else who didnt gets a chance to read the thread wants to ask anything sent me a PM with an IM name.

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This one pretty much sealed it for me (last hand of 1K buy-in NL tourney):

Stage #896976330 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $4500 - 2007-09-13 01:43:49 (ET)
Table: 14 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips)
POTRIPPER - Ante $450
CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450
POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500
*** POCKET CARDS ***
POTRIPPER - Calls $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $9000
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000
*** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $13500
CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310
POTRIPPER - Calls $186810
*** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings)
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings)
POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($428520)
Board [4h Kd Kh 7s 5s]
Seat 3: POTRIPPER (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($428520) HI:($428520) with One pair, kings(ten kicker) [10c 9c - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:10c,P:9c,B:7s]
Seat 8: CRAZYMARCO (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, kings [9h 2h - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:9h,B:7s,B:5s]

Re: best value bet of all time
 

i don't get the hoopla over that hh. if hero is weighing villain's range away from made hands and more towards small flush combos, straight combos like 56, and total air, you get that hand.

hu games are animal. you are going to see sick hands.

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i don't get the hoopla over that hh. if hero is weighing villain's range away from made hands and more towards small flush combos, straight combos like 56, and total air, you get that hand.

hu games are animal. you are going to see sick hands.

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It's not about one hand though. The evidence is very damning. I think the thread will be moved back at some point soon. There's a thread sticked in BBV about it with some of the posts from the mod forum reposted. There's much more though.

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It's not about one hand though. The evidence is very damning. I think the thread will be moved back at some point soon. There's a thread sticked in BBV about it with some of the posts from the mod forum reposted. There's much more though.

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ok. will be very interesting then, when it gets moved. ty for update.