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Wow this thread got derailed. So I'm going to share one of my awesome SS stories:
Two years ago a bunch of 2+2ers I'm friends with, went to Turning Stone for a $1k and $5k tourny. While sweating the final table of the $1k we got incredible bored and ended up flipping coins. I ended up losing $12k to Jon Little and the next day when we were out to dinner I told Shannon that I was never gonna flip again because I was obviously upset about losing money doing something so silly. His immediate response was, "what if you got odds? I'll give you 525 to 500," and pulled out his coin. He obviously won the flip. Anyways, GL with whatever you do Shannon. You're the [censored] |
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[ QUOTE ] mike caro said that you can take the best tournament player and someone ranked at 150, put them on the same table of a tournament everyday and the difference between the two would take maybe 2 years to show up in the results. i am not player hating on anyone and i never will. my beef with shannon is that he wants to call something that spoiled him early.......a stupid game.........and then when things get a little tough, he wants to quit. now he says he has more money than he knows what to do with? gee, life is sweet, eh shannon? i really wish i knew what that feeling is like. when my poker playing doesnt go well, my over all financial situation follows suit. and now i got to hear it from some spoiled whiner who in my eyes, has a great life and nothing to complain about. a good portion of any of his failures in this game are his own undoing too. shannon, i am striving to get to where you are at. i was on my way once and then stumbled HARD. i know about loss. my life has been a living hell because of this game.......but i am not going to quit.......EVER. please dont call this game stupid. you have no right in my eyes. its like a slap in my face. you dont know what its like to really suffer. you guys who sympathize with shannon are a bunch of saps and you probably have no clue to the self accountability and burdens of "having to win". [/ QUOTE ] So in your downswing you never called the game stupid? [/ QUOTE ] A truly smart person would understand that their short term results (+1.8 million in a short period of time) is unsustainable long term, and would be somewhat cognizant of their overall EV in the game. Complaining when the going gets tough shows a pretty big lack of understanding of mathematical reality. I don't understand all the jock sniffing that goes on here. |
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[ QUOTE ] shannon, i am striving to get to where you are at. i was on my way once and then stumbled HARD. i know about loss. my life has been a living hell because of this game.......but i am not going to quit.......EVER. please dont call this game stupid. you have no right in my eyes. its like a slap in my face. you dont know what its like to really suffer. [/ QUOTE ] I know you're sincere in what you posted and all that, but just because poker apparently has some mystical, semi-religious importance in your life doesn't mean that other people are required to feel the same way. I tried to make a living at this game years ago and did so for about 18 months, with great difficulty. The final shot in the back of my head was when I lost a 32k pot on a two-outer. I was absolutely devastated and had the disgrace of admitting failure to friends and family when I had been riding high for many months. The experience taught me a lot about life and dealing with defeat, but it didn't leave me with any overriding, mystical admiration for the game of poker itself. In fact, it seems kind of random and arbitrary that my career was torpedoed by a two-outer, though I realize now that if it hand't been that bad beat it would likely have been another down the road. OTOH, maybe if I had won that pot I would have gotten Jamie Gold-type luck at my next tournament and be a millionaire right now. Right now, I play poker for spending money, and I follow it partly to watch guys like Shannon trying to make a go at the same life that I did. I wish them better success than I had, but I don't agree with you that poker is necessarily some great thing. It can be or it can not be depending upon the person. [/ QUOTE ] very good post because it is something i personally can relate to. your right, it does depend on the person. it has taken me years to shrug off the bad swings. as long as i play good, thats all that counts. profits will take care of themselves, yada yada yada. but its the burden of having to play. where else is the money going to come from? its that burden thats hard to shake off. its the ever present battle of walking the tight rope each and every session. i tilt mildy once or twice a year but is this the day i'm going to blow up? god, this guy next to me has bad breath. yada yada yada. when you have success like shannon, you have choices. you dont "have" to play today, next week, next year. i understand about having love for the game but lets face it, you can be trapped in a love affair that has fizzled but your trapped. you cant get away because you dont have any reasonable choices. these are things that are more realistic about playing for a living versus shannon's undue whining. thats why his blog really erks the sh** out of me. his statements remind me of someone who is married to a billionaire, divorces, and now is complaining about living only a millionaire lifestyle now. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] so, in my up swings......was i ever up over a million? nope. i used to have a poker friend who we would secretly complain to each other about our hard luck, but i grew away from that. i never ever called this game stupid, however, i do think its a very negative game with a lot of ugliness. but once you break through like shannon did, the weight should be lifted and you should have nothing to complain about. [/ QUOTE ] So what you're saying is money solves all your problems? [/ QUOTE ] i would like to quote an old world war 2 veteran i have deep respect for........no, he's not a poker player. "money isnt everything........but it sure comes in handy". let's face it, the bottom line in this game is money. i have no desire for balla status, just the freedom money gives. freedom to think and have choices and not be all f'd up with the burden of time and stress. money alleviates those things. [/ QUOTE ] Money may alleviate some of those things, but it also may bring new burden's. It just seemed that you are getting mad because he vented how he felt about the game at the time. And isn't that what the WWII and all our other vets fought for? |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] shannon, i am striving to get to where you are at. i was on my way once and then stumbled HARD. i know about loss. my life has been a living hell because of this game.......but i am not going to quit.......EVER. please dont call this game stupid. you have no right in my eyes. its like a slap in my face. you dont know what its like to really suffer. [/ QUOTE ] I know you're sincere in what you posted and all that, but just because poker apparently has some mystical, semi-religious importance in your life doesn't mean that other people are required to feel the same way. I tried to make a living at this game years ago and did so for about 18 months, with great difficulty. The final shot in the back of my head was when I lost a 32k pot on a two-outer. I was absolutely devastated and had the disgrace of admitting failure to friends and family when I had been riding high for many months. The experience taught me a lot about life and dealing with defeat, but it didn't leave me with any overriding, mystical admiration for the game of poker itself. In fact, it seems kind of random and arbitrary that my career was torpedoed by a two-outer, though I realize now that if it hand't been that bad beat it would likely have been another down the road. OTOH, maybe if I had won that pot I would have gotten Jamie Gold-type luck at my next tournament and be a millionaire right now. Right now, I play poker for spending money, and I follow it partly to watch guys like Shannon trying to make a go at the same life that I did. I wish them better success than I had, but I don't agree with you that poker is necessarily some great thing. It can be or it can not be depending upon the person. [/ QUOTE ] very good post because it is something i personally can relate to. your right, it does depend on the person. it has taken me years to shrug off the bad swings. as long as i play good, thats all that counts. profits will take care of themselves, yada yada yada. but its the burden of having to play. where else is the money going to come from? its that burden thats hard to shake off. its the ever present battle of walking the tight rope each and every session. i tilt mildy once or twice a year but is this the day i'm going to blow up? god, this guy next to me has bad breath. yada yada yada. when you have success like shannon, you have choices. you dont "have" to play today, next week, next year. i understand about having love for the game but lets face it, you can be trapped in a love affair that has fizzled but your trapped. you cant get away because you dont have any reasonable choices. these are things that are more realistic about playing for a living versus shannon's undue whining. thats why his blog really erks the sh** out of me. his statements remind me of someone who is married to a billionaire, divorces, and now is complaining about living only a millionaire lifestyle now. [/ QUOTE ] The burden of having to play? Are you being forced at gunpoint to play? If his blog erks you so bad, why do you read it? For someone who says they only go on tilt once or twice a year I would say you have used up both your tilt's for this year on this thread alone. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] mike caro said that you can take the best tournament player and someone ranked at 150, put them on the same table of a tournament everyday and the difference between the two would take maybe 2 years to show up in the results. i am not player hating on anyone and i never will. my beef with shannon is that he wants to call something that spoiled him early.......a stupid game.........and then when things get a little tough, he wants to quit. now he says he has more money than he knows what to do with? gee, life is sweet, eh shannon? i really wish i knew what that feeling is like. when my poker playing doesnt go well, my over all financial situation follows suit. and now i got to hear it from some spoiled whiner who in my eyes, has a great life and nothing to complain about. a good portion of any of his failures in this game are his own undoing too. shannon, i am striving to get to where you are at. i was on my way once and then stumbled HARD. i know about loss. my life has been a living hell because of this game.......but i am not going to quit.......EVER. please dont call this game stupid. you have no right in my eyes. its like a slap in my face. you dont know what its like to really suffer. you guys who sympathize with shannon are a bunch of saps and you probably have no clue to the self accountability and burdens of "having to win". [/ QUOTE ] So in your downswing you never called the game stupid? [/ QUOTE ] A truly smart person would understand that their short term results (+1.8 million in a short period of time) is unsustainable long term, and would be somewhat cognizant of their overall EV in the game. Complaining when the going gets tough shows a pretty big lack of understanding of mathematical reality. I don't understand all the jock sniffing that goes on here. [/ QUOTE ] How does venting your frustration about how you have been running show a lack of mathematical understanding? Poker players wear jockstraps? So that's what I've been doing wrong. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] so, in my up swings......was i ever up over a million? nope. i used to have a poker friend who we would secretly complain to each other about our hard luck, but i grew away from that. i never ever called this game stupid, however, i do think its a very negative game with a lot of ugliness. but once you break through like shannon did, the weight should be lifted and you should have nothing to complain about. [/ QUOTE ] So what you're saying is money solves all your problems? [/ QUOTE ] i would like to quote an old world war 2 veteran i have deep respect for........no, he's not a poker player. "money isnt everything........but it sure comes in handy". let's face it, the bottom line in this game is money. i have no desire for balla status, just the freedom money gives. freedom to think and have choices and not be all f'd up with the burden of time and stress. money alleviates those things. [/ QUOTE ] Money may alleviate some of those things, but it also may bring new burden's. It just seemed that you are getting mad because he vented how he felt about the game at the time. And isn't that what the WWII and all our other vets fought for? [/ QUOTE ] lol, true that. but may i say, "money cant buy happiness" was invented by poor people who are in denial or the ones that were born rich. money can bring new burdens for some, maybe most, but not for me. i am not materialistic. all i want is a rocket car and a house made of gold. peace out and thanks to those who kept it civilized in here. i got to go watch the ducks and dixon try to clobber arizona. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] so, in my up swings......was i ever up over a million? nope. i used to have a poker friend who we would secretly complain to each other about our hard luck, but i grew away from that. i never ever called this game stupid, however, i do think its a very negative game with a lot of ugliness. but once you break through like shannon did, the weight should be lifted and you should have nothing to complain about. [/ QUOTE ] So what you're saying is money solves all your problems? [/ QUOTE ] i would like to quote an old world war 2 veteran i have deep respect for........no, he's not a poker player. "money isnt everything........but it sure comes in handy". let's face it, the bottom line in this game is money. i have no desire for balla status, just the freedom money gives. freedom to think and have choices and not be all f'd up with the burden of time and stress. money alleviates those things. [/ QUOTE ] Money may alleviate some of those things, but it also may bring new burden's. It just seemed that you are getting mad because he vented how he felt about the game at the time. And isn't that what the WWII and all our other vets fought for? [/ QUOTE ] lol, true that. but may i say, "money cant buy happiness" was invented by poor people who are in denial or the ones that were born rich. money can bring new burdens for some, maybe most, but not for me. i am not materialistic. all i want is a rocket car and a house made of gold. peace out and thanks to those who kept it civilized in here. i got to go watch the ducks and dixon try to clobber arizona. [/ QUOTE ] I 100% agree that money can buy happiness. But being happy is only a temporary state of mind. Show me one person who's happy every second of every day and I'll ask what nuthouse you got them out of. |
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Nice posts by Tex and Shannon
Re this [ QUOTE ] You guys are silly if you don't think I read and study the game. My comment in my blog was just saying I should probably do it 5-7 hours a day if I really, really wanted to be at the top of my game. I'm not playing the game at this point to grind out the highest possible hourly rate. I'll be content with knocking off a tournament every now and then for six figures and getting a little better along the way. [/ QUOTE ] The post I made early in the thread probably isn't being viewed by anyone as overly critical of Shannon, but just in case and to make a legitimate point separated from the idiotic jealously-based one-liners: All I wanted to say is that working hard to improve is necessary to doing this job well, and that someone who isn't interested in putting in the work shouldn't be surprised if he feels like he isn't as good as he could be or doing as well as he could be. Shannon could easily be more successful than a nobody grinder (like me) working half as hard, but if he's feeling like quitting because he doesn't want to put in enough hours to stay at the top of his game, then he's probably better off doing something else and/or doing poker "halfway," as long as he's cool with not making the most $ possible with his talent. As far as I can tell, Shannon is a talented poker player who may have run over expectation but generally deserves his success. The only question is how much he wants to dedicate to poker going forward, where it falls on his priority list. People attacking him for working through those issues on a blog are dumb. In general, any people making judgments about the psychological affects of playing full time and the particular work/life balance issues that this job entails without having actually played poker full time should be very cautious with those judgments, because they probably don't know what they are talking about. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] shannon, i am striving to get to where you are at. i was on my way once and then stumbled HARD. i know about loss. my life has been a living hell because of this game.......but i am not going to quit.......EVER. please dont call this game stupid. you have no right in my eyes. its like a slap in my face. you dont know what its like to really suffer. [/ QUOTE ] I know you're sincere in what you posted and all that, but just because poker apparently has some mystical, semi-religious importance in your life doesn't mean that other people are required to feel the same way. I tried to make a living at this game years ago and did so for about 18 months, with great difficulty. The final shot in the back of my head was when I lost a 32k pot on a two-outer. I was absolutely devastated and had the disgrace of admitting failure to friends and family when I had been riding high for many months. The experience taught me a lot about life and dealing with defeat, but it didn't leave me with any overriding, mystical admiration for the game of poker itself. In fact, it seems kind of random and arbitrary that my career was torpedoed by a two-outer, though I realize now that if it hand't been that bad beat it would likely have been another down the road. OTOH, maybe if I had won that pot I would have gotten Jamie Gold-type luck at my next tournament and be a millionaire right now. Right now, I play poker for spending money, and I follow it partly to watch guys like Shannon trying to make a go at the same life that I did. I wish them better success than I had, but I don't agree with you that poker is necessarily some great thing. It can be or it can not be depending upon the person. [/ QUOTE ] very good post because it is something i personally can relate to. your right, it does depend on the person. it has taken me years to shrug off the bad swings. as long as i play good, thats all that counts. profits will take care of themselves, yada yada yada. but its the burden of having to play. where else is the money going to come from? its that burden thats hard to shake off. its the ever present battle of walking the tight rope each and every session. i tilt mildy once or twice a year but is this the day i'm going to blow up? god, this guy next to me has bad breath. yada yada yada. when you have success like shannon, you have choices. you dont "have" to play today, next week, next year. i understand about having love for the game but lets face it, you can be trapped in a love affair that has fizzled but your trapped. you cant get away because you dont have any reasonable choices. these are things that are more realistic about playing for a living versus shannon's undue whining. thats why his blog really erks the sh** out of me. his statements remind me of someone who is married to a billionaire, divorces, and now is complaining about living only a millionaire lifestyle now. [/ QUOTE ] The burden of having to play? Are you being forced at gunpoint to play? If his blog erks you so bad, why do you read it? For someone who says they only go on tilt once or twice a year I would say you have used up both your tilt's for this year on this thread alone. [/ QUOTE ] i dont need a gun put to my head to finish something i have started. 4 years dude, and i dont have much to show from it. i put the gun to my own head. i never read his blog personally. just from what i read here in the original post. my first responce was about the comparisons of razor blades and a buck knife. be a buck knife. razor blades dont last long. peace out. |
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How does venting your frustration about how you have been running show a lack of mathematical understanding? Poker players wear jockstraps? So that's what I've been doing wrong. [/ QUOTE ] Seriously? I know tons of people that grind out 1-3% a year in sports betting or blackjack that never once complain about their luck, because they've been doing it forever and know what their true odds are. These guys also haven't had the good fortune of many 6-7 figure cashes in MTTs. |
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Nice posts by Tex and Shannon Re this [ QUOTE ] You guys are silly if you don't think I read and study the game. My comment in my blog was just saying I should probably do it 5-7 hours a day if I really, really wanted to be at the top of my game. I'm not playing the game at this point to grind out the highest possible hourly rate. I'll be content with knocking off a tournament every now and then for six figures and getting a little better along the way. [/ QUOTE ] The post I made early in the thread probably isn't being viewed by anyone as overly critical of Shannon, but just in case and to make a legitimate point separated from the idiotic jealously-based one-liners: All I wanted to say is that working hard to improve is necessary to doing this job well, and that someone who isn't interested in putting in the work shouldn't be surprised if he feels like he isn't as good as he could be or doing as well as he could be. Shannon could easily be more successful than a nobody grinder (like me) working half as hard, but if he's feeling like quitting because he doesn't want to put in enough hours to stay at the top of his game, then he's probably better off doing something else and/or doing poker "halfway," as long as he's cool with not making the most $ possible with his talent. In general, any people making judgments about the psychological affects of playing full time and the particular work/life balance issues that this job entails without having actually played poker full time should be very cautious with those judgments, because they probably don't know what they are talking about. [/ QUOTE ] bingo!! |
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[ QUOTE ] How does venting your frustration about how you have been running show a lack of mathematical understanding? Poker players wear jockstraps? So that's what I've been doing wrong. [/ QUOTE ] Seriously? I know tons of people that grind out 1-3% a year in sports betting or blackjack that never once complain about their luck, because they've been doing it forever and know what their true odds are. These guys also haven't had the good fortune of many 6-7 figure cashes in MTTs. [/ QUOTE ] Just because they don't complain to you about it, doesn't mean they don't complain. |
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[beating a dead horse] anyways, all of the top poker players and gamblers I know track their results and have reached well into the long run. They may complain a little bit about huge beats deep in tournaments but are well grounded in their success and don't expect to win 7 figures every year.
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Wow this thread got derailed. So I'm going to share one of my awesome SS stories: Two years ago a bunch of 2+2ers I'm friends with, went to Turning Stone for a $1k and $5k tourny. While sweating the final table of the $1k we got incredible bored and ended up flipping coins. I ended up losing $12k to Jon Little and the next day when we were out to dinner I told Shannon that I was never gonna flip again because I was obviously upset about losing money doing something so silly. His immediate response was, "what if you got odds? I'll give you 525 to 500," and pulled out his coin. He obviously won the flip. Anyways, GL with whatever you do Shannon. You're the [censored] [/ QUOTE ] Those were the days... My SS story comes from that same trip, when he was describing differences between online and live poker, specifically limping in position with bad hands live when you have really good reads on the other players at the table. SS: For example, at the Bellagio Cup I limped with Ten Five of Spades on the button after a couple limpers. The flop came 2 spades and a weak guy bet so I shoved over. z32: You limped T5ss? That's such a bad hand. SS (sheepishly): Someone called and I hit a flush, and I went on to win the tourney, so limping T5ss made me about $800k real equity... Shannon rocks. |
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Wow this thread got derailed. So I'm going to share one of my awesome SS stories: Two years ago a bunch of 2+2ers I'm friends with, went to Turning Stone for a $1k and $5k tourny. While sweating the final table of the $1k we got incredible bored and ended up flipping coins. I ended up losing $12k to Jon Little and the next day when we were out to dinner I told Shannon that I was never gonna flip again because I was obviously upset about losing money doing something so silly. His immediate response was, "what if you got odds? I'll give you 525 to 500," and pulled out his coin. He obviously won the flip. Anyways, GL with whatever you do Shannon. You're the [censored] [/ QUOTE ] I hope you dont hate me. |
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this stupid game saved my life! its kind of funny. i grew up in a disfuntional house, basically raised in the streets. took on a life of crime and drugs. spending alot of time in jail between the ages 14 to 23, for drug sales, and other criminal activity.
i had played poker before, but diddnt get hooked till i played wsop on xbox live. soon after got myself a table, started a .25 .50 game, and my first year won 35,000. im in my third year, playin semi pro, and im the only guy still alive, out of a group of 7 that i was involved with. just like everyone, i get bad beats and say that poker sucks, and have maybe even said that it was a stupid game, but in the end i always remind myself, that this stupid game saved my life. id do anything to get my friends back and teach them this stupid game called poker. |
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[ QUOTE ] Wow this thread got derailed. So I'm going to share one of my awesome SS stories: Two years ago a bunch of 2+2ers I'm friends with, went to Turning Stone for a $1k and $5k tourny. While sweating the final table of the $1k we got incredible bored and ended up flipping coins. I ended up losing $12k to Jon Little and the next day when we were out to dinner I told Shannon that I was never gonna flip again because I was obviously upset about losing money doing something so silly. His immediate response was, "what if you got odds? I'll give you 525 to 500," and pulled out his coin. He obviously won the flip. Anyways, GL with whatever you do Shannon. You're the [censored] [/ QUOTE ] I hope you dont hate me. [/ QUOTE ] |
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[ QUOTE ] Wow this thread got derailed. So I'm going to share one of my awesome SS stories: Two years ago a bunch of 2+2ers I'm friends with, went to Turning Stone for a $1k and $5k tourny. While sweating the final table of the $1k we got incredible bored and ended up flipping coins. I ended up losing $12k to Jon Little and the next day when we were out to dinner I told Shannon that I was never gonna flip again because I was obviously upset about losing money doing something so silly. His immediate response was, "what if you got odds? I'll give you 525 to 500," and pulled out his coin. He obviously won the flip. Anyways, GL with whatever you do Shannon. You're the [censored] [/ QUOTE ] I hope you dont hate me. [/ QUOTE ] To take this thread another direction... I remember chatting with u on FTP when u were complaining about how bad u run and linking ur blog.... i am still grinding out micro stakes and ur super-ballin... funny how times change.. I made a vow to myself to never be jealous of another person in this game, best of luck to you as well as Shannon. |
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this stupid game saved my life! its kind of funny. i grew up in a disfuntional house, basically raised in the streets. took on a life of crime and drugs. spending alot of time in jail between the ages 14 to 23, for drug sales, and other criminal activity. i had played poker before, but diddnt get hooked till i played wsop on xbox live. soon after got myself a table, started a .25 .50 game, and my first year won 35,000. im in my third year, playin semi pro, and im the only guy still alive, out of a group of 7 that i was involved with. just like everyone, i get bad beats and say that poker sucks, and have maybe even said that it was a stupid game, but in the end i always remind myself, that this stupid game saved my life. id do anything to get my friends back and teach them this stupid game called poker. [/ QUOTE ] lilholdem? |
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no, not lilholdem.
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But if they are not around for the long term (which is the lifetime of poker, not the player) how can you know if they would be a long term winner. Also, in order to be a long term winner you would need to consider every hand of poker that has ever been played which is in the trillions (probably more but I'm not sure what comes after trillions). What hands a player plays in their lifetime is still only a short term sample and therefore you can't say that someone is a long term winner. [/ QUOTE ] This (particularly the bolded part) is incorrect. |
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Shannon Shorr chipleader with 27 left in Tilt 55k guaranteed. I'm still alive.... but extremely stoned. Maybe I can double up off him?
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Mr. Shorr, I wish you all the luck. If you are good enough to make it in poker, I"m sure you are good enough to make it anywhere else. Ultimately, you have realized what I had realized quite early, that its probably best to play poker on the side.
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Shannon Shorr chipleader with 27 left in Tilt 55k guaranteed. I'm still alive.... but extremely stoned. Maybe I can double up off him? [/ QUOTE ] He got second for like $10k. FTP doug must of read this thread and put his account on 'auto win'. |
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[ QUOTE ] Btw in the spirit of honesty: I was down in poker in 2007 until Aprilish. [/ QUOTE ] I was down until June and now up several hundreds of thousands of dollars. Party is crazy. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Jman says he is toughening up on personal insults in NVG. Lets see if that only applies to newbies or whether he has the ballsack to do it to his friends and the HSNL crew.
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[ QUOTE ] But if they are not around for the long term (which is the lifetime of poker, not the player) how can you know if they would be a long term winner. Also, in order to be a long term winner you would need to consider every hand of poker that has ever been played which is in the trillions (probably more but I'm not sure what comes after trillions). What hands a player plays in their lifetime is still only a short term sample and therefore you can't say that someone is a long term winner. [/ QUOTE ] This (particularly the bolded part) is incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] It's not incorrect until somebody proves why it's incorrect. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But if they are not around for the long term (which is the lifetime of poker, not the player) how can you know if they would be a long term winner. Also, in order to be a long term winner you would need to consider every hand of poker that has ever been played which is in the trillions (probably more but I'm not sure what comes after trillions). What hands a player plays in their lifetime is still only a short term sample and therefore you can't say that someone is a long term winner. [/ QUOTE ] This (particularly the bolded part) is incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] It's not incorrect until somebody proves why it's incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] Partially because you're the only one who thinks that's what "long term" means, and partially because you're the only one who is unwilling to accept that anything with probability <1 can be called "true." If you want to redefine language usage, fine, but don't expect anyone to think you're making any sense. |
Re: Shannon Shorr thinking of quitting ...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But if they are not around for the long term (which is the lifetime of poker, not the player) how can you know if they would be a long term winner. Also, in order to be a long term winner you would need to consider every hand of poker that has ever been played which is in the trillions (probably more but I'm not sure what comes after trillions). What hands a player plays in their lifetime is still only a short term sample and therefore you can't say that someone is a long term winner. [/ QUOTE ] This (particularly the bolded part) is incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] It's not incorrect until somebody proves why it's incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] Partially because you're the only one who thinks that's what "long term" means, and partially because you're the only one who is unwilling to accept that anything with probability <1 can be called "true." If you want to redefine language usage, fine, but don't expect anyone to think you're making any sense. [/ QUOTE ] But my whole idea of "the long run" is because in a person's lifetime they may get the short end of the stick in situations where they are favorites to win. Ex. AK vs. J10, obviously we all know percentage wise that the AK is a slight favorite and in "the long run" AK will win more times than the J10, but the J10 will still win also. But a certain person may witness the J10 win more in their lifetime than the AK due to bad luck. That's my whole point in saying that no one will be alive long enough to see the long run. Because the percentages will play out over every hand that is ever dealt, not a person's lifetime. |
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"long term" should be desribed as "are you capable of winning in a decent sample size".
if you play cash consistently for a year and you are a winner, then you are capable of winning in the long run. i have no idea what constitutes the long run for donkaments but i'm sure it falls under similar lines as cash games. now, if someone is capable of winning consistently and all of a sudden snaps and loses his mind and bankroll after a few years is another story. i guess technically, he is not a long term winner.........but i would still consider this person a "capable winner in the long run" |
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I think Shannon Shorr should consider changing his name so people dont read about him and think he is a lesbian.
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Re: Shannon Shorr thinking of quitting ...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But if they are not around for the long term (which is the lifetime of poker, not the player) how can you know if they would be a long term winner. Also, in order to be a long term winner you would need to consider every hand of poker that has ever been played which is in the trillions (probably more but I'm not sure what comes after trillions). What hands a player plays in their lifetime is still only a short term sample and therefore you can't say that someone is a long term winner. [/ QUOTE ] This (particularly the bolded part) is incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] It's not incorrect until somebody proves why it's incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] Partially because you're the only one who thinks that's what "long term" means, and partially because you're the only one who is unwilling to accept that anything with probability <1 can be called "true." If you want to redefine language usage, fine, but don't expect anyone to think you're making any sense. [/ QUOTE ] But my whole idea of "the long run" is because in a person's lifetime they may get the short end of the stick in situations where they are favorites to win. Ex. AK vs. J10, obviously we all know percentage wise that the AK is a slight favorite and in "the long run" AK will win more times than the J10, but the J10 will still win also. But a certain person may witness the J10 win more in their lifetime than the AK due to bad luck. That's my whole point in saying that no one will be alive long enough to see the long run. Because the percentages will play out over every hand that is ever dealt, not a person's lifetime. [/ QUOTE ] lol, first of all, ak is a huge favorite over j10........espeacially over the long run. it would take some astronomical bad luck to see ak get screwed to j10 in a life time of poker. budblown, i know what your saying but it seems to me that you are trying to make a point about something that is not realisticly too likely.........but is possible. what did robert deniro say to the slots manager in the movie "casino"?: "cant you see you were getting scammed after the second jackpot? the odds of two people hitting the jackpot at the same time is in the millions, the odds of it happeneing 3 times in a row is in the billions!!!! ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN........ IT "CANT" HAPPEN!!!!!!!! |
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[quote But my whole idea of "the long run" is because in a person's lifetime they may get the short end of the stick in situations where they are favorites to win. Ex. AK vs. J10, obviously we all know percentage wise that the AK is a slight favorite and in "the long run" AK will win more times than the J10, but the J10 will still win also. But a certain person may witness the J10 win more in their lifetime than the AK due to bad luck. That's my whole point in saying that no one will be alive long enough to see the long run. Because the percentages will play out over every hand that is ever dealt, not a person's lifetime. [/ QUOTE ] lol, first of all, ak is a huge favorite over j10........espeacially over the long run. it would take some astronomical bad luck to see ak get screwed to j10 in a life time of poker. budblown, i know what your saying but it seems to me that you are trying to make a point about something that is not realisticly too likely.........but is possible. what did robert deniro say to the slots manager in the movie "casino"?: "cant you see you were getting scammed after the second jackpot? the odds of two people hitting the jackpot at the same time is in the millions, the odds of it happeneing 3 times in a row is in the billions!!!! ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN........ IT "CANT" HAPPEN!!!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] That is my point. Someone could play great poker, get their money in with the favorite hand, and still be a losing player due to the luck factor. The typical response to that usually is, well in the long run you'll be a winner. then my response to that is - But, if nobody sees the long run, how can you say that someone would be a winner in the long run. Best quote from Casino - "Running a casino is like robbing a bank with no cops around. For guys like me, Las Vegas washes away your sins. It's like a morality car wash" |
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[ QUOTE ] [quote But my whole idea of "the long run" is because in a person's lifetime they may get the short end of the stick in situations where they are favorites to win. Ex. AK vs. J10, obviously we all know percentage wise that the AK is a slight favorite and in "the long run" AK will win more times than the J10, but the J10 will still win also. But a certain person may witness the J10 win more in their lifetime than the AK due to bad luck. That's my whole point in saying that no one will be alive long enough to see the long run. Because the percentages will play out over every hand that is ever dealt, not a person's lifetime. [/ QUOTE ] lol, first of all, ak is a huge favorite over j10........espeacially over the long run. it would take some astronomical bad luck to see ak get screwed to j10 in a life time of poker. budblown, i know what your saying but it seems to me that you are trying to make a point about something that is not realisticly too likely.........but is possible. what did robert deniro say to the slots manager in the movie "casino"?: "cant you see you were getting scammed after the second jackpot? the odds of two people hitting the jackpot at the same time is in the millions, the odds of it happeneing 3 times in a row is in the billions!!!! ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN........ IT "CANT" HAPPEN!!!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] That is my point. Someone could play great poker, get their money in with the favorite hand, and still be a losing player due to the luck factor. The typical response to that usually is, well in the long run you'll be a winner. then my response to that is - But, if nobody sees the long run, how can you say that someone would be a winner in the long run. Best quote from Casino - "Running a casino is like robbing a bank with no cops around. For guys like me, Las Vegas washes away your sins. It's like a morality car wash" [/ QUOTE ] Online poker players see the long run in 2 months. |
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[ QUOTE ] Btw in the spirit of honesty: I was down in poker in 2007 until Aprilish. [/ QUOTE ] I was down until June and now up several hundreds of thousands of dollars. Poker is crazy. [/ QUOTE ] Down for 6 months ???? OMFG LOL !!!!!!! |
Re: Shannon Shorr thinking of quitting ...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [quote But my whole idea of "the long run" is because in a person's lifetime they may get the short end of the stick in situations where they are favorites to win. Ex. AK vs. J10, obviously we all know percentage wise that the AK is a slight favorite and in "the long run" AK will win more times than the J10, but the J10 will still win also. But a certain person may witness the J10 win more in their lifetime than the AK due to bad luck. That's my whole point in saying that no one will be alive long enough to see the long run. Because the percentages will play out over every hand that is ever dealt, not a person's lifetime. [/ QUOTE ] lol, first of all, ak is a huge favorite over j10........espeacially over the long run. it would take some astronomical bad luck to see ak get screwed to j10 in a life time of poker. budblown, i know what your saying but it seems to me that you are trying to make a point about something that is not realisticly too likely.........but is possible. what did robert deniro say to the slots manager in the movie "casino"?: "cant you see you were getting scammed after the second jackpot? the odds of two people hitting the jackpot at the same time is in the millions, the odds of it happeneing 3 times in a row is in the billions!!!! ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN........ IT "CANT" HAPPEN!!!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] That is my point. Someone could play great poker, get their money in with the favorite hand, and still be a losing player due to the luck factor. The typical response to that usually is, well in the long run you'll be a winner. then my response to that is - But, if nobody sees the long run, how can you say that someone would be a winner in the long run. Best quote from Casino - "Running a casino is like robbing a bank with no cops around. For guys like me, Las Vegas washes away your sins. It's like a morality car wash" [/ QUOTE ] Online poker players see the long run in 2 months. [/ QUOTE ] In your opinion how many hands would you have to play to see the long run? Actually, a better question is, how many times would you have to see the exact same situation before it constitutes the long run, in your opinion? |
Re: Shannon Shorr thinking of quitting ...
Wow, you are dead wrong, Shannon is very accomplished, go back to your lyf which you suck at bro.
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