Pushing Early Can Be Back Tested
 

Any robotic pushing strategy...
Can easily be back tested by extracting PT data.

Just started playing SNGs a month ago maybe one/day...
But I'm data mining the 33s...
And right now I have 1000 $33s from the last month.

On average you get 4.5 starting hands/player/tournament...
So I have 45,000 starting hands.
(Starting hand = Finishing hand)

Assume 30% at low blind levels...
And 20-25% of those are suitable HU or all-in matchups.

So per 1000 tourneys...
You can have roughly 3000 "situations"...
To back test push strategies very specific to 33s.
(I wouldn't expend any energy analyzing the 11s).

I'm very busy running my business...
But within about a month...
I'll double my 33 data to 2000 recent tournies...
And I'll write a VB program that extracts...
The roughly 6000 "early push" test situations...
Which is enough for a start.

I'm just guesstimating right now.

I'll pm you some results of this analysis when I'm done...
Because I very much appreciate you posting this.

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Re: Adanthar\'s Robotic 10+1 Strategy Guide v. 1 (early beta)
 

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I have like 2500-2700 or something.

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ok at first i thought you were joking. then i realized you play only 32 a day. now im confused. are you serious? when did you start playing teh SnGs?

Re: Adanthar\'s Robotic 10+1 Strategy Guide v. 1 (early beta)
 

Late pos, L2, limp in with AJ... so far so good.

Flop is A-rag-rag, planning to push BUT

Bet and raise before.

FOLD. Someone has Ace-rag and you're on a 3-outer.

Apologies if this is redundant.

Re: Adanthar\'s Robotic 10+1 Strategy Guide v. 1 (early beta)
 

Started in like Mid April. Of course I took a 2-3 week vacation and had days where I didn't get the full 32 in. For instance this month I have only about 400 due to being in Vegas+Philly and such. Now I have a good laptop so that problem shuoldnt occur again.

Re: Adanthar\'s Robotic 10+1 Strategy Guide v. 1 (early beta)
 

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he can't do that you see, because it's a guide to beating the party games, not a guide to playing poker.

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Re: Adanthar\'s Robotic 10+1 Strategy Guide v. 1 (early beta)
 

Nice work Adanthar, only thing is that when it comes to the bubble formulas and what not, if someone is smart enough to figure this out / remember it all during real time, they surely have the brains to very quickly kill the 11s without an idiot proof system. Nice work though IMO. Two quick points:

1) Regarding bubble play, you wrote:

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-Add 4 points if someone has already raised or went all in

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My intuition tells me that this needs to be weighted more heavily in your point system. One of the easiest ways to get ITM (esp. in the lower levels) during bubble time is to avoid those opponents who have already shown aggression. Only adding 4 points seems like it will get the user of this system involved in too many bubble confrontations.

2) Regarding open pushing with AA early. I did it only once in over 1500 games on the 11s and was called by KJs. So I really don't think it's bad. But so many bad players like to mini-raise after several limpers that if I get aces early (on an 11) I will often limp, re-raise. It's pretty easy to tell when I will be able to do this, since often there is "that guy" who will constantly raise on level 1 (thinks he's Gus Hansen or something). Would it overcomplicate it to write that if over 2/3 of the pots on level 1 have been raised, you should attempt a limp, re-raise all-in with aces on level 1? Don't want to overcomplicate your system, but when you see this pattern (which happens a LOT on the 11s) you can often double or triple up with aces. Very few players down there understand the strength of your hand (or are too stubborn to fold after your re-raise) that this is incredibly profitable.

Re: Adanthar\'s Robotic 10+1 Strategy Guide v. 1 (early beta)
 

Nice work Andathar

If i were a CS person I would definitly write a bot with logic similar to this for fun.

Re: Adanthar\'s Robotic 10+1 Strategy Guide v. 1 (early beta)
 

Looks good but just one question - wtf is a "monotone" flop?

Re: Adanthar\'s Robotic 10+1 Strategy Guide v. 1 (early beta)
 

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Looks good but just one question - wtf is a "monotone" flop?

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A flop with three cards of the same suit.

Re: Adanthar\'s Robotic 10+1 Strategy Guide v. 1 (early beta)
 

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Looks good but just one question - wtf is a "monotone" flop?

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A flop with three cards of the same suit.

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Oh. At the risk of sounding like a nit, wouldn't "monochrome flop" be a better term for this phenomenon?