Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

saturday and sunday will be one day.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

fmxda has been disconnected from the network.

jjhender has restored his connections, however:

xoom has been disconnected from the internal chat network.

IT IS DAY

amplify
antidan444
<font color="red"> BluffBlank lynched d5 (Villager) </font>
<font color="red"> chuckleslovakian lynched d3 (Villager) </font>
<font color="blue"> dmk killed n4 (Villager) </font>
<font color="blue"> DustinG killed n1 (Villager) </font>
<font color="red"> econophile lynched d2 (Villager) </font>
<font color="red"> FCBLComish lynched d4 (Villager) </font>
fmxda
fnord_too
HerbieGRD
Jeremy517
jjhender
kbar13
kyro
LuckayLuck
<font color="blue"> MDoranD killed n2 (Villager) </font>
Neil Stevens
Nez477
Nicholasp27
<font color="red"> ScottHoward lynched d1 (Villager) </font>
<font color="blue"> soah killed n3 (Villager) </font>
Stephen H
thebram
traz
TruFloridaGator
Voj
wdcbooks
xoom
xorbie
Zurvan

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

I peeked books and he came up evil.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

hmmm...

Killing fmx is strange. Are they just trying to deny us information? Nobody had peeked him (that we know of), and he had not released his peeks. It's possible nobody has shown themselves to be useful yet? Or the wolves just don't want us to know?

Thoughts?

Peeks?

I looked at antidan, and he came up evil. I'm thinking I'm probably paranoid.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Some thoughts on Luckay. I'll try to keep this short so I don't hurt myself.

He had been very quite and un-Luckay-like. Until somebody pointed out. Last night he came in and went totally ape-[censored] on the thread. His defense of Neil was one of the wolfiest things I've ever seen, including my day 1 performance in election.

I'm all for lynching luckay today.

My next choice after him is dan.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

DAY FIVE

VOTING ORDER
NEIL votes for STEPHEN (1)
FNORD votes for NEIL (1)
KYRO votes for BOOKS (1)
NICH votes for STEPHEN (2)
BRAM votes for BOOKS (2)
AMPLIFY votes for BOOKS (3)
DAN votes for NEIL (2)
XOOM votes for STEPHEN (3)
ZURVAN votes for BLUFF (1)
NICH switches from STEPHEN (2) to BLUFF (2)
AMPLIFY switches from BOOKS (2) to LUCKAY (1)
NICH switches from BLUFF (1) to STEPHEN (3)
TRAZ votes for BLUFF (2)
XOOM switches from STEPHEN (2) to BLUFF (3)
AMPLIFY switches from LUCKAY (0) to BLUFF (4)
HERBIE votes for BLUFF (5)
XOOM switches from BLUFF (4) to STEPHEN (3)
NEZ votes for BOOKS (3)
XORBIE votes for BLUFF (5)
KYRO switches from BOOKS (2) to STEPHEN (4)
TFG votes for STEPHEN (5)
XOOM _un_votes STEPHEN (4)
STEPHEN votes for KBAR (1)
KYRO switches from STEPHEN (3) to JEREMY (1)
JEREMY votes for NEIL (3)
LUCKAY votes for KBAR (2)
TRAZ switches from BLUFF (4) to NEIL (4)
STEPHEN switches from KBAR (1) to NEIL (5)
LUCKAY switches from KBAR (2) to BLUFF (5)
NEZ switches from BOOKS (1) to NEIL (6)
NEIL switches from STEPHEN (2) to BLUFF (6)
FMXDA votes for NEIL (7)
KYRO switches from JEREMY (0) to BLUFF (7)
XOOM switches from STEPHEN (1) to BLUFF (8)
TFG switches from STEPHEN (0) to BLUFF (9)
DAN switches from NEIL (6) to BLUFF (10)
BOOKS votes for NEIL (7)
JJHENDER votes for BLUFF (11)

INDIVIDUAL VOTE BREAKDOWN
amp - books, luckay, bluff
dan - neil, bluff
clown/bluff -
fmxda - neil
fnord - neil
happy/nez - books, neil
Herbie - bluff
Jeremy - neil
jjhender - bluff
kbar13 -
kyro - books, stephen, jeremy, bluff
Luckay - kbar, bluff
Neil - stephen, bluff
Nich - stephen, bluff, stephen
Stephen - kbar, neil
traz - bluff, neil
bram - books
TFG - stephen, bluff
Voj -
books - neil
xoom - stephen, bluff, stephen, bluff
xorbie - bluff
zurvan - bluff

NUMBER OF POSTS
amp - 11 (40)
dan - 5 (113)
clown/bluff - 6 (44)
fmxda - 1 (52)
fnord - 3 (32)
happy/nez - 7 (15)
Herbie - 8 (56)
Jeremy - 14 (31)
jjhender - silenced (25)
kbar13 - 0 (13)
kyro - 54 (189)
Luckay - 13 (59)
Neil - 17 (124)
Nich - 24 (66)
Stephen - 35 (133)
traz - 27 (129)
bram - 2 (9)
TFG - 5 (32)
Voj - 0 (24)
books - 7 (54)
xoom - 15 (73)
xorbie - 20 (82)
zurvan - 44 (133)

BLUFF WAGON
zurvan, nich.
nich switches to stephen.
traz, xoom, amp and herbie jump on.
xoom switches to stephen.
xorbie jumps on.
traz switches to neil.
luckay, neil, kyro, xoom, TFG, dan and jjhender jump on.
FINAL WAGON: zurvan, amp, herbie, zorbie, luckay, neil, kyro, xoom, TFG, dan, jjhender

NEIL WAGON
fnord, dan, (long pause) jeremy, traz, stephen, nez, FMXDA.
dan switches to bluff.
books jumps on.
FINAL WAGON: fnord, jeremy, traz, stephen, nez, FMXDA, books

STEPHEN WAGON
neil, nich, xoom.
nich switches to bluff, then jumps back on.
xoom jumps to bluff, then jumps back on.
kyro and TFG jump on.
xoom unvotes.
kyro switches to jeremy (an annoyance vote)
neil, xoom and TFG all jump to bluff, leaving Stephen's wagon empty.

*** NIGHT FIVE PEEK ***

happy/nez - village

*** NIGHT FIVE PEEK ***

Looking more and more like I'm naive.

It's not as good as zurvan's spreadsheet but ...

REVEALED PEEKS THROUGH DAY FIVE

DAN - n1 - amplify - village
n2 - bram - village
n3 - books - village
n4 - traz - village
n5 - happy/nez - village

FNORD - n1, kyro, villager
n2, MDoranD, villager (correct)
n3, thebram, villager
n4, zoom, villager

AMP - n1, chuck, wolf (wrong)
mdorand - wolf (wrong)
luckay - village
xorbie - village

VOJ - n1, stephen, wolf
n2, Neil

CLOWN/BLUFF - books - wolf
neil - wolf
fnord - village
kyro - village

ECONO - n1, stephen, wolf

STEPHEN - amplify - wolf
antidan - wolf (wrong)
n3 peek was wolf

FCBL - d1 - antidan - village (right)
d2 - neil - village
d3 - amplify - village

NICH - chuckles - village (right)
stephen - wolf
luckay - wolf
xoom - wolf

KYRO - n1 chuckles - wolf (wrong)
n2 stephen - wolf
n3 traz - wolf
n4 books - villager

ZURVAN - traz - wolf
Stephen - wolf
fnord - wolf
Neil - wolf

XOOM - n1 amplify - wolf
n2 zurvan - wolf
n3 stephen h - villager
n4 jeremy517 - wolf

NEIL - n1 econo - village (right)
n2 stephen - village
n3 traz - village
n4 dan - village (right)

BOOKS - n1 - Kyro - village
n2 - Traz - village
n3 - Stephen - village
n4 - Zurvan - village

TRAZ - mddorand - wolf (wrong)
clown - villager (right)
dmk - villager (right)
amp - villager

HAPPY/NEZ - Xoom - village
Dan - village
soah - village (right)
Amp - village

TFG - n1 Xorbie - wolf
n2 Stephen - wolf
n3 Bram - wolf
n4 Traz - wolf

I have to go to work right now. I hope to have a few hours tonight to really crunch things. If I survive until Monday I'll have all day as well. I will not be on much at all Sunday.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Sorry for yesterday I came back home faaar to late to post.
Huh Friday eveningaments..
My actual list of peeks :
N1 : StephenH - EVIL
N2 : NeilStevens - EVIL
N3 : LuckayLuke - EVIL
N4 : traz - EVIL
N5 : kyro - EVIL.

Though it might appear that I'm a paranoid seer I personnaly do think I'm a real seer who has spotted 5 wolfs [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

That is interesting. Time for everyone to reveal all peeks, so that they HAVE to give us info tomorrow?

I viewed books and he came up good. I'm thinking I'm naive, but useful and useless are still possible.

And, down to business: [vote Stephen].

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Peeked luckay. He came up good.

I think luckay and books are both evil, but I could definitely be useless paranoid.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Sorry for not posting yesterday. Here are my peeks

TFG: good
traz: good
zurvan: evil
stephen: evil
nich: evil

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

One final thought:

I think the wolves feel like the people with multiple dead peeks are hiding info, because they feel there's a good chance they could be useful seers. They may continue to kill people who have not released their peeks.

I think it's important we get that info out now.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

With 5 living peeks today I should probably reveal what I've got.

Amp - evil
Antidan - evil
kbar - evil
traz - good
neil - good

I'm voting for Neil again today.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

stephen, lets go traz instead

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

kbar, I don't think traz is a wolf [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Hey guys - here are my peeks

N1 - Soah - good
N2 - Traz - good
N3 - Luckay - evil
N4 - Zurvan - good
N5 - StephenH - evil

Vote Neil Stevens

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Okay, so I looked up fmxda. Definitely no seer peeks posted / no hints. So yes...
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they are trying to deny us information. Nobody had peeked him (that we know of), and he had not released his peeks.

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Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

guys, I think I just realized something brilliant
let me go check...

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

I'm not going to post my spreadsheet quite yet, I'd like to get a few more people's peeks first.

But, not only is luckay so evil he's probably growing horns over there, if we lynch him and he turns up evil, we potentially have 3 useful seers. Or, 3 people who are highly likely to be useful.

In that vein, luckay, what were your peeks?

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

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In that vein, luckay, what were your peeks?

[/ QUOTE ]
I have a good reason. I'm going to keep them secret.
But I'm probably a useless seer.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

I'll be very upset if we don't lynch luckay today.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Here are my peeks:

N1: traz Good
N2: neil Good
N3: luckay Good
N4: stephen Good
N5: nich Evil

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

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But, not only is luckay so evil he's probably growing horns over there, if we lynch him and he turns up evil, we potentially have 3 useful seers. Or, 3 people who are highly likely to be useful.

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Let's not get crazy. The three people who have peeked Luckay (that I know of) are Amp, Kyro, and Voj.
Amp and Kyro both peeked Luckay as Village, but have peeked wdbooks as wolf and village, respectively, so only one could possibly be a seer.
And Voj has gotten 4 wolf peeks (that I know of), so I'm not going to get all thrilled about his peek list anytime soon either (especially since he peeked me, and I'm village)

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

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But, not only is luckay so evil he's probably growing horns over there, if we lynch him and he turns up evil, we potentially have 3 useful seers. Or, 3 people who are highly likely to be useful.

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Let's not get crazy. The three people who have peeked Luckay (that I know of) are Amp, Kyro, and Voj.
Amp and Kyro both peeked Luckay as Village, but have peeked wdbooks as wolf and village, respectively, so only one could possibly be a seer.
And Voj has gotten 4 wolf peeks (that I know of), so I'm not going to get all thrilled about his peek list anytime soon either (especially since he peeked me, and I'm village)

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Luckay has been peeked 6 times, counting JJ.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

STEPHEN H is a wolf.

How did I do a complete 180 degree flip on this? Because of the xoom silence. The fmxda kill looks pretty random. The silence <u>was used to cut off the real seer</u>. The wolves plan to kill him tonight, most likely. As a wolf, I would consider yesterday night one of the most important nights to kill/silence the seers, since all the information just came out. The FMXDA kill was pretty random. THEREFORE, the xoom silence must be a seer.

Xoom's peeks were:
N1: Amplify - Evil
N2: Zurvan - Evil
N3: Stephen H - Good
N4: Jeremy517 - Evil
N5: ??? (silence)

I read Zurvan as good, so xoom must be an insane seer. So I think we actually learn a lot here...Amplify is good, Jeremy is good, and Stephen H is a wolf.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

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Luckay has been peeked 6 times, counting JJ.

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right...I didn't have JJ's picks at the time, and my sheet takes into account that I'm village, so I've already scratched off nich and herbie as non-useful.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

1: Books evil
2: Stephen good
3: Soah good
4: zurvan good
5: fmxda good

As I said. I like
books
luckay
xorbie

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

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STEPHEN H is a wolf.

How did I do a complete 180 degree flip on this? Because of the xoom silence. The fmxda kill looks pretty random. The silence <u>was used to cut off the real seer</u>. The wolves plan to kill him tonight, most likely. As a wolf, I would consider yesterday night one of the most important nights to kill/silence the seers, since all the information just came out. The FMXDA kill was pretty random. THEREFORE, the xoom silence must be a seer.

Xoom's peeks were:
N1: Amplify - Evil
N2: Zurvan - Evil
N3: Stephen H - Good
N4: Jeremy517 - Evil
N5: ??? (silence)

I read Zurvan as good, so xoom must be an insane seer. So I think we actually learn a lot here...Amplify is good, Jeremy is good, and Stephen H is a wolf.

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You're so absurd.
They make a kill to withhold information, so of course the *silence* is on someone who could be a real seer. Why not swap the kill and silence instead?

And, you know no absolutes about the roles of xoom's peeks, so you instead assume he must be a useful seer of the sort that supports your conclusion. It's funny, because I have him listed as a potential regular seer - because he got my role right. I'm not going to lynch amp/jeremy/zurvan because of it. But they could certainly all be wolves; no doubt.

Do two things - first, wait and see if they kill xoom tonight after silencing him to shut up his peeks.
Second, use your brain and realize it's extremely unlikely I could be a wolf, so if xoom really is a seer he's got 3 wolves, not 1 wolf and a villager.

If you did get me lynched, I'll turn up villager. Are you then going to lynch somoene else on xoom's list, because he must be seer? After all, that means amp/jeremy/zurvan MUST be wolves, you said so yourself!

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

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1: Books evil
2: Stephen good
3: Soah good
4: zurvan good
5: fmxda good

As I said. I like
books
luckay
xorbie

[/ QUOTE ]

Now THAT is enough for me to follow.
Lynch Books

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Why would they waste a silence AND a kill on the same person, when they know after fmxda's death we'll all post our peeks, and when we finally lynch a wolf that'll possibly give us several confirmed useful seers?

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

I'm not following bram's peeks.

He was definitely around yesterday, and very well could have given us that info, and made a decent case for lynching books.

Instead, he waits for today, and throws in the fmx kill to have 2 correct peeks. And, he has put myself and Stephen as good, which we will both obviously claim as correct, and we are two of the most vocal villagers.

Final point, he selected books as his evil peek, who kyro was pushing.

Bram's list is too good, and it comes to too easy of a conclusion. I like bram for evil, after Luckay.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

This game is maddening. I am not going to defend myself with great vigor because frankly I will be pretty happy when I don't have to deal with this game any more.

What I would like to see happen though is for Fnord, Herbie, Zurvan or Dan to take a look at all of the peeks and figure out who is most likely evil solely based on the information we have from the peeks that have been given. I am going to go ballistic if we keep trying to lynch people based on their reads. We should have enough useful seer information out to make an highly educated guess and a correct lynch today.

I am not paying any attention to the Xoom silencing and I am not even going to entertain comments like "Luckay is never this quiet". If that is what we are using we might as well play an Average Speed game with no seers. I will do the analysis myself when I have some time.

Based on what I see I am inclined towards Stephen or Luckay. I still don't think Stephen is a wolf though. I am also interested to see if anyone besides JJhender has peeked Nich.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

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I'm not following bram's peeks.

He was definitely around yesterday, and very well could have given us that info, and made a decent case for lynching books.

Instead, he waits for today, and throws in the fmx kill to have 2 correct peeks. And, he has put myself and Stephen as good, which we will both obviously claim as correct, and we are two of the most vocal villagers.

Final point, he selected books as his evil peek, who kyro was pushing.

Bram's list is too good, and it comes to too easy of a conclusion. I like bram for evil, after Luckay.

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Bah, you're right. And books is pretty far down on my evil list right now.

Vote Neil, who is sitting at number 1.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Thebram just happens to peek soah AND fmxda on the night they die?

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

I am going to contradict everything I just said and just post four wolves based on gut instinct. They fit together perfectly.

Bram
Luckay
Stephen
Neil

Luckay makes a big deal about how Neil didn't vote Stephen to save himself. He was looking for a wolf so he voted Scott. Kyro could be either. Either he took a shot at using his peeks to move people my way and it didn't work or he made it abundantly clear that he was peeking me and he was influenced to show me as evil (in his case good). Or he is useless and Bram's list is based on opportunity alone.

I don't buy Bram for the reasons Zurvan gave, and I think the wolves have come in and set up the kill almost every day and told us what the information meant.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Books, I did and he came back evil

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

books, add jeremy as a 5th, and you have got yourself I list I can agree with.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

This is going to be a long weekend.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Back! Rand told me TFG was good last night. Sorry about not being around last night, my friggin laptop is on its last legs. The power cable is shot, so the battery had minimal charge (and I couldn't get the power cable adjusted so that it was working).

I have not fully analyzed yesterday or today yet, but I am saddened that we did not string up neil yesterday.

I think we are at 15:7 right now, so we are not in dire straights yet, and I think it will be hard to not kill a wolf today.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

Stephen, if you are a wolf I am going to flip out. A lot of the thread evidence and some of the peek evidence indicates you are, but after day one there isn't a single post that I can point to that I thought sounded like a wolf.

Honestly, I may just relax tonight and be back to this game tomorrow, because I need time to think and right now I pretty much just want to rand a lynch and get this game over with.

Re: Hacker Attack (All Info Game Thread - Feb 19 Start)
 

My peeks:

1: Traz - Good
2: Stephen H - Good
3: Zurvan - Evil
4: Nich - Evil
5: Kyro - Good