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CalledDownLight 11-30-2007 04:06 PM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
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Although you would expect 40/2 's to raise only the nuts preflop, it so happens that a lot of them limp Aces and Kings and choose to raise every once in a while with some dopey hands.

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He's UTG+2, I can't assume he's randomly decided to pop it with JQ. If he was on the button, then perhaps...

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yea, every 40/2 I know treats the button a lot different from UTG+2 also.

Chargers In 07 11-30-2007 04:44 PM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
Pretty standard, AK is a marginal hand and should be treated as such.

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every 40/2 I know treats the button a lot different from UTG+2 also.

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Kos13 11-30-2007 04:46 PM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
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Chargers In 07 11-30-2007 04:47 PM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
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sobos 11-30-2007 04:48 PM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
The fact that you he is a 40 just means that you have less fold equity, which makes 3betting AK less profitable. I have no idea how villains play at 25NL...do villains really stack off with JJQQKK on A-high flops? If so, then yes, calling/raising > folding. If not, then folding>raising>calling since you have poor equity against his raising range of AAKKQQAK.

Kos13 11-30-2007 04:49 PM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
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Albert Moulton 11-30-2007 04:53 PM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
Please use a converter.

If I read the action right, then somebody open raised from MP for 5bb, then it was folded to hero with AKo in the blinds who folded.

In general, I would recommend reraising to 15bb, and if called by the original raiser and no one else, then betting at least 20bb at any flop as the default play. Occasionally, in the same heads up post-flop situation after you reraise, check/calling the flop when you hit top pair and leading the turn can be good too.

I would not recommend just folding except that you said, "player is playing 40/2 over 100+ hands." I still think reraising and leading the flop is pretty good. But folding vs a guy with a 2% pfr probably isn't terrible.

I wouldn't just call.

Baja15 11-30-2007 05:16 PM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
There are several players i would fold AK to a raise from but they all have stats like 11/1 or 14/0.5 over a large sample. FWIW i also fold KK to a reraise from these guys. But a 40/2 player is a donk not a nit, the raise does not always mean a big hand. Often these guys limp with their Big hands because they just love to slowplay.

Just Re-raise to 3x the original bet and go on from there. If they shove then you should probably fold, but it won't happen very often

Steelerman 11-30-2007 05:32 PM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
Interesting thread. As an aside, I've played about 5K hands with this particular villain at NL25. He plays 19/6 over that sample is down a few buy-ins. Just goes to show you that 100 hands isn't enough to peg someone.

sobos 11-30-2007 05:38 PM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
Maybe this villain hit a stretch of good cards and is really a 40/.5. Why do you assume (unless you know the hands he's played) that he's really looser, not tighter, than 2?


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