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alright,

since I am bored here I will enlighten you.

His hand range is TT---->AA including QT--->AQ. He will either bet/fold AA or bet/call it. Since AA=TT then he is not going to fold any of his range or conversely will fold all of it.

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yea, because an unknown totally realizes TT = AA in the 30 secs he has to make a decision, and thinks "hey, time to call w/all of my range"

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thanks for your insight.

They probably think, wow he isn't repping anything I call. They also don't think - "I will call with my entire range", but "I will call with my hand" for their entire range....

Re: yet another river checkraise
 

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i think this all comes down to your image... i think it's pretty tight, so this should work, but it depends a lot on the opponent.

the thing is, most LAGs and all bad players seem to think everyone plays like them and thus would never just c/c a flush draw on the flop (or two pair or a set or something) so they'd just think you were FOS and call. Esp since there are some missed straight draws. I dunno I think people used to fold here a ton, maybe like 2-3 months ago, but then people started c/r bluff more and people stopped folding tot hem, which is why it is fun to do for value... a lot.

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ur wrong, ask MDMA

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alright,

since I am bored here I will enlighten you.

His hand range is TT---->AA including QT--->AQ. He will either bet/fold AA or bet/call it. Since AA=TT then he is not going to fold any of his range or conversely will fold all of it.

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yea, because an unknown totally realizes TT = AA in the 30 secs he has to make a decision, and thinks "hey, time to call w/all of my range"

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thanks for your insight.

They probably think, wow he isn't repping anything I call. They also don't think - "I will call with my entire range", but "I will call with my hand" for their entire range....

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wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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good thread!

i like the line and agree with luego's thought process here. otoh, i feel like i always get looked up when i make this play -- perhaps i don't choose these spots carefully enough.

anyway, more good strat threads with MDMA and Luego calling people retards please.

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How is the pot $260 after an open, bb defense, and 3/4 pot c/c? Did he open to $51?

Anyways, I wouldn't expect him to fold a Q if he's applying any strategy more detailed than, "I have a pretty good one pair hand, lemme make a big value bet against Villain's obviously weak range." Which doesn't make sense anyways.

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i think this is bad/stupid fps against most ppl bc they wont believe u and will just not fold better hands hardly ever

[/ QUOTE ]I agree. I want a good read that I'm playing a smart good player before pulling this.

Re: yet another river checkraise
 

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good thread!

i like the line and agree with luego's thought process here. otoh, i feel like i always get looked up when i make this play -- perhaps i don't choose these spots carefully enough.

anyway, more good strat threads with MDMA and Luego calling people retards please.

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can't tell if you are trying to level or just being retarded.

"Guy always calls here, let's shove as a bluff"

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alright,

since I am bored here I will enlighten you.

His hand range is TT---->AA including QT--->AQ. He will either bet/fold AA or bet/call it. Since AA=TT then he is not going to fold any of his range or conversely will fold all of it.

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yea, because an unknown totally realizes TT = AA in the 30 secs he has to make a decision, and thinks "hey, time to call w/all of my range"

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thanks for your insight.

They probably think, wow he isn't repping anything I call. They also don't think - "I will call with my entire range", but "I will call with my hand" for their entire range....

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wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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glad to see another great input to the thread, when's the book coming out brah?

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good thread!

i like the line and agree with luego's thought process here. otoh, i feel like i always get looked up when i make this play -- perhaps i don't choose these spots carefully enough.

anyway, more good strat threads with MDMA and Luego calling people retards please.

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can't tell if you are trying to level or just being retarded.

"Guy always calls here, let's shove as a bluff"

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i mean that i think luego's play is good in theory, but as Duck pointed out more and more people are calling these river c/r plays. so, i have been using it more as a value play than a bluff. i still think the play is good and if he calls with one of the hands we are trying to fold out, i make a note and adjust my play accordingly.

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to fancy vs unknown.