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Troll_Inc 11-22-2007 07:57 PM

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Yeah, 20bb/100 (10PTBB/100) is sustainable long-term for a good player if the games are soft enough. I've got over 50K hands at 0.50/1 and below and I'm averaging 27.8bb/100.

PTBB is usually the standard on this forum though and while you can easily hit 20 PTBB/100 for 10K hands or so if you're running well, I don't think that can be sustainable.

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From your stats posted here and seeing you win AA53 vs AAJJds, I know you are running shortterm hot in allins. And that could help explain a big winrate shorterm.

I have an academic interest though in knowing how hot (+EV) one could possibly be for allins over the full 50k (or 20, 30k etc) hands. In theory, I think the allin luck should converge to a normal distribution after 100-150 allins (red vs blue lines in Allin luck on PokerEV). And then run pretty close to at EV thereafter.

Troll_Inc 11-22-2007 08:08 PM

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Oh well, there goes my theory:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5...yinptbbjv1.jpg

Over a randomly selected long time period, I'm running 56% of what I should be. I guess there are different types of allin, technically I'd have to go in a calibrate by effective stack size of the allin.

Just for fun in dollars:


http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/239...memoneytj4.jpg

TimberBee 11-22-2007 08:17 PM

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Wow Troll. How did you feel like in between hand 35 and 75?

Troll_Inc 11-22-2007 08:29 PM

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Wow Troll. How did you feel like in between hand 35 and 75?

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I don't recall those hands exactly but I think that's when I was like "5/10 is pretty damn easy too bad I'm not really rolled for it."

plzbenice 11-22-2007 08:45 PM

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cleaned up at PLO100 just now. not quite back on track but what the heck im getting there.

i just really hate my 22/8/0.8 stats but they seem to do the trick...

RoundTower 11-22-2007 09:38 PM

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It's also worth noting that your expected allin winnings on that graph is around zero dollars, which suggests you're doing some gambling.

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I think you have this wrong, my expected total earn if I had run exactly at expectation in all-ins is about zero dollars. So I am probably playing worse than normal anyway, which doesn't surprise me, but only bad enough to be about breakeven.

RoundTower 11-22-2007 09:40 PM

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in other words, I'm sure I am doing some gambling, but I don't think that's evident from the graph

thisnamedoesntfi 11-22-2007 09:42 PM

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cleaned up at PLO100 just now. not quite back on track but what the heck im getting there.

i just really hate my 22/8/0.8 stats but they seem to do the trick...

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My apologies for the earlier misconstrued BB vs PTBB. I've sustained 8 PTBB/100 over my first 30K hands, and I'm not very good (yet) imo. So 10PTBB is easily within reach and not unrealistic at all.

wazz 11-22-2007 10:01 PM

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I think I just attract donks wherever I go.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $208.50
UTG+1: $198
CO: $80
Button: $319.20
hero: $546.70
BB: $475.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, Button calls, hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6, 3 players)
hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $7</font>, hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($20, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets $21</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $84</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $206</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $310.2</font>, hero calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($640.4, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $640.4)

Results:
Final pot: $640.4
Button showed Jc 8d 9d 5c
hero showed 4c 7c 7h 3c

crashwhips 11-22-2007 10:31 PM

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i just really hate my 22/8/0.8 stats but they seem to do the trick...

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You seem to be playing very weak-tight. Try playing and raising more hands PF (you should be playing at least around 30/15), semibluffing postflop, and making thinner value bets. Doing these things should help your game a lot.


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