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I love how people are like ZOMG Yankees lost Arod...destined to finish last in division for next 10 years.

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No, its more like ZOMG, the Yanks lost ARod, have alienated their free agents and are relying on a pitching staff of rookies and fifty-year olds. They could easily finish third.

I know you're pissed that the Sox are winning and ARod left, but try not being a jackass.

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Actually I'm not pissed at Sox...they are us now...buying their way to WS. Welcome to Dark Side.

Yankees future outlook is greater than anyone besides Sox in our division. Mainly due to the wealth of talent we have pitching wise and the sick amounts of $$$ we will have to spend.

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Our starting rotation in 09 could be(though not likely) Wang, Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, Sanchez which costs us less than 1/2 of Arod's salary this year.

no Giambi, Abreu, Damon, Andy...jesus how much salary gone is that?

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Giambi: 18m
Abreu: 15m
Damon: 10m
Andy: 16m

$59m

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Our starting rotation in 09 could be(though not likely) Wang, Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, Sanchez which costs us less than 1/2 of Arod's salary this year.

no Giambi, Abreu, Damon, Andy...jesus how much salary gone is that?

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Damon is signed through 2009.

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People are acting like losing Arod makes them a team that isn't a strong favorite to make the playoffs. Look at the absolutely awful pitchers who made so many starts last year, that and injuries was the reason we did badly for so long last year. Now Igawa, Desalvo, Pavano, Clippard, etc are replaced with Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy. Losing Arod hurts but team is still going to win soooo many games next year.

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While Cashman may be making the right business move to not sign A-Rod sans an extension, the fact that Yankee fans in here are happy he's leaving is LOL to the max.

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I'm not happy.

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Ya but Jeter doesn't cause as many headaches as Arod.


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Our starting rotation in 09 could be(though not likely) Wang, Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, Sanchez which costs us less than 1/2 of Arod's salary this year.

no Giambi, Abreu, Damon, Andy...jesus how much salary gone is that?

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Damon is signed through 2009.

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He won't be here.

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Mets sign Arod
trade reyes for santana
sign petite

holla

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And what do you suggest they do with all of that extra salary?

Probably hard to do better than getting the best player in baseball.

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If Jeter does bad in playoffs Yanks don't have to deal with media circus cuz he has done good in playoffs with yanks before. Jeter doesn't say stupid [censored] to media. Jeter doesn't do stupid [censored] on the field to piss teams/people/media off.
Jeter [censored] lots a chicks but thats fine cuz he's single so no biggie

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So why type of ballpark are we talking for his next contract?

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And what do you suggest they do with all of that extra salary?

Probably hard to do better than getting the best regular season player in baseball.

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Couldn't resist.

Hmmm guess Arod is the last really really good player to ever be a FA.
oh well...gg Yankees

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People are acting like losing Arod makes them a team that isn't a strong favorite to make the playoffs. Look at the absolutely awful pitchers who made so many starts last year, that and injuries was the reason we did badly for so long last year. Now Igawa, Desalvo, Pavano, Clippard, etc are replaced with Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy. Losing Arod hurts but team is still going to win soooo many games next year.

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Who says Kennedy is going to be great?

Look, I think these young pitchers are going to be terrific, but having 2 rookies and 1 2nd year guy heading up the Yankees' rotation doesn't fill me with confidence, esp. when the bullpen stinks and it'll be in the game in the 6th inning every night.

The Yankees desperately need Pettitte to return - he ate up a lot of innings.

but losing a-rod is huge, without a doubt. while the yankees' new pitchers will help, almost everyone else on the team is declining (save cano and cabrera).

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People are acting like losing Arod makes them a team that isn't a strong favorite to make the playoffs. Look at the absolutely awful pitchers who made so many starts last year, that and injuries was the reason we did badly for so long last year. Now Igawa, Desalvo, Pavano, Clippard, etc are replaced with Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy. Losing Arod hurts but team is still going to win soooo many games next year.

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Who says Kennedy is going to be great?

Look, I think these young pitchers are going to be terrific, but having 2 rookies and 1 2nd year guy heading up the Yankees' rotation doesn't fill me with confidence, esp. when the bullpen stinks and it'll be in the game in the 6th inning every night.

The Yankees desperately need Pettitte to return - he ate up a lot of innings.

but losing a-rod is huge, without a doubt. while the yankees' new pitchers will help, almost everyone else on the team is declining (save cano and cabrera).

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He doesn't have to be great. Just has to be a solid #3 or #4 or #5 starter

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I believe the Yankees have something like $90MM to play around with this offseason assuming they increase their payroll by 5%. That's before Posada and Rivera get inked, but they'll still have a boatload to spend.

My new gameplan for the Yankees is to trade Wang/Cabrera/other prospect for Santana, and ink him to a 6/150 extension. Then sign Hunter/Jones/Rowand to replace Cabrera.

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I don't really care about baseball at all or know almost anyone being discussed in this thread, but am really enjoying this dramabomb for some reason

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If Jeter does bad in playoffs Yanks don't have to deal with media circus cuz he has done good in playoffs with yanks before. Jeter doesn't say stupid [censored] to media. Jeter doesn't do stupid [censored] on the field to piss teams/people/media off.
Jeter [censored] lots a chicks but thats fine cuz he's single so no biggie

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blah blah blah... Just retract your original statement and move on. What you're saying is retarded.

-media circus in New York? NO WAY!

-you want to get rid of the best position player in baseball because he says some stupid [censored] to the media at times?

-you have no clue how his teammates feel about those incidents, so stop acting like you do.

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I believe the Yankees have something like $90MM to play around with this offseason assuming they increase their payroll by 5%. That's before Posada and Rivera get inked, but they'll still have a boatload to spend.

My new gameplan for the Yankees is to trade Wang/Cabrera/other prospect for Santana, and ink him to a 6/150 extension. Then sign Hunter/Jones/Rowand to replace Cabrera.

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No gracias. Thay3r convinced me on this one.

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If Jeter does bad in playoffs Yanks don't have to deal with media circus cuz he has done good in playoffs with yanks before. Jeter doesn't say stupid [censored] to media. Jeter doesn't do stupid [censored] on the field to piss teams/people/media off.
Jeter [censored] lots a dudes but thats fine cuz he's single so no biggie

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If Jeter does bad in playoffs Yanks don't have to deal with media circus cuz he has done good in playoffs with yanks before. Jeter doesn't say stupid [censored] to media. Jeter doesn't do stupid [censored] on the field to piss teams/people/media off.
Jeter [censored] lots a chicks but thats fine cuz he's single so no biggie

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blah blah blah... Just retract your original statement and move on. What you're saying is retarded.

-media circus in New York? NO WAY!

-you want to get rid of the best position player in baseball because he says some stupid [censored] to the media at times?

-you have no clue how his teammates feel about those incidents, so stop acting like you do.

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No I want to get rid of him because he doesn't want to play for the Yankees or be in NYC. and yes I do per Jeter, Moose, and Gary Sheffield

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I believe the Yankees have something like $90MM to play around with this offseason assuming they increase their payroll by 5%. That's before Posada and Rivera get inked, but they'll still have a boatload to spend.

My new gameplan for the Yankees is to trade Wang/Cabrera/other prospect for Santana, and ink him to a 6/150 extension. Then sign Hunter/Jones/Rowand to replace Cabrera.

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No gracias. Thay3r convinced me on this one.

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What does he say now that A-Rod is gone?

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If Jeter does bad in playoffs Yanks don't have to deal with media circus cuz he has done good in playoffs with yanks before. Jeter doesn't say stupid [censored] to media. Jeter doesn't do stupid [censored] on the field to piss teams/people/media off.
Jeter [censored] lots a chicks but thats fine cuz he's single so no biggie

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he did stay at SS even though the roster picked up a player that was worth ~30runs more defensively than him at the time

thats pretty damn selfish

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He has obviously been planning to opt out for a looooong time. Given that's how he feels I don't see how you can be anything but happy now that he is gone. It would be great if things had worked out while he was here and right now instead he felt passionately about winning in NY, but he doesn't, he has been looking forward to playing somewhere else for a couple seasons now obviously

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rwperu,

perhaps someone will escort you to 2001 where that joke is funny.

anyway, trading for santana would be pretty terrible. i have a feeling the yankees will talk themselves into this if they lose a-rod (not yet a foregone conclusion imo), but there is just no reason to do it.

nor is there any reason to sign rowand, who in spite of his awesome season this year, will be yet another guy signed to too long a deal whose range will decline.

the less free agents, the better.

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I believe the Yankees have something like $90MM to play around with this offseason assuming they increase their payroll by 5%. That's before Posada and Rivera get inked, but they'll still have a boatload to spend.

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No gracias. Thay3r convinced me on this one.

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What does he say now that A-Rod is gone?

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You don't trade a 15-20 game winning pitcher who makes zilch +
your up and coming outfield prospect + another possible starter for a pitcher who will cost you $$$ + prospects and is a Free Agent in a year who also won't greatly increase your wins compared to if u kept the players u were planning to give away.

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Horrible decision. He may make a little more, but that deal will cripple who ever signs him. It will be Texas all over again

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Texas signed Chan Ho Park and Juan Gonzalez the year after they signed A-Rod.

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not reading through all this, but I just want to say I'm disgusted the announcers and Fox spent so much time on A-Rod drama during a clinching world series game.

For full disclosure-I had no 'horse' in the world series game. Just thought it was inappropriate.

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what do you guys want, the Yankees to have a $140MM payroll???

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They need him so bad. A great pitching staff that needs one extra bat in the lineup to make them a legitimate offensive threat. Oh please, oh please.

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Charlie, get some rest and revisit this thread in the morning, bro.

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I believe the Yankees have something like $90MM to play around with this offseason assuming they increase their payroll by 5%. That's before Posada and Rivera get inked, but they'll still have a boatload to spend.

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No gracias. Thay3r convinced me on this one.

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What does he say now that A-Rod is gone?

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Sign A-Rod.

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anyway, trading for santana would be pretty terrible. i have a feeling the yankees will talk themselves into this if they lose a-rod (not yet a foregone conclusion imo)

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1. how can you possibly think the FO would make the mistake of going after santana? absolutely nothing points to that.
2. Like I said, now that Arod has shown that he was unhappy in NY (v understandable and reasonable), given that they have consistently maintained that they were going to make an attempt at resigning him if he opted out and that they did so knowing that in the regular bargaining Boras was going to put them in a huge bind, there is absolutely zero chance he isn't a yankee.

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I'll still the same way.

Yanks offered him the highest salary per year in history for the next 7 years. Arod was so insulted by that offer he wouldnt even meet them to let them make it.

Yankees told Arod if you opt out and cost us an extra 21 million we won't resign u.

Arod said [censored] you...not only will i opt out and make u pay me that 21 million but i also want 35 million over the next 10 years eventhough i don't even want to play for your [censored] team.

to which the Yanks respond. k tnxs goodbye

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Tom Hicks. The guy who later agreed to give the Yanks $50m to get out of this deal.

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Horrible decision. He may make a little more, but that deal will cripple who ever signs him. It will be Texas all over again

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Texas signed Chan Ho Park and Juan Gonzalez the year after they signed A-Rod.

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I can't find the exact contract figure, but if I recall the contracts correctly they are both significantly worse than the A-R0d.

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May as well talk about them now, they won't be talking about any Yankees-in-the-World-Series for a few years.

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I'm curious as to how much the firing of Torre had to do with his decision and the subsequent fallout that is going to create.

I don't blame him for wanting to go elsewhere considering how he has been treated. I think that he will end up playing elsewhere for an annual salary less than the Yankees could pay and that he will be happier and better off because of it.

The team that signs him will not be overpaying even if it is $300M+ considering that he will most likely break the home run record before the end of his contract.

Without him, the Yankees are going to struggle to be a wildcard entry into the playoffs for several years. I wonder how the 'A-douche' whiners are going to take that when the Yankees start missing the post-season on a regular basis.

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people seem to be missing something

Arod didn't just opt out...he chose not to negotiate a new contract/extension with the Yankees and then opted out.

Boras could have spent the next 10 days counter offering proposals to the Yanks from their initial offer...instead Alex told Boras...no need. Opt out now.

That says plenty in itself

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Would Scioscia have A-Rod bat in front of Bonds or Bonds in front of A-Rod? I don't know which one would be the better bunter.

craig

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Exactly. A-Rod didn't want to play for Girardi, A-Rod probably sees (rightly or wrongly) a ship taking on some water, A-Rod knows he's going to end up with well over 800 homeruns no matter where he goes.