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CompatiblePoker 11-14-2007 12:59 PM

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Annie Duke's Q&A is better than her testimony.

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Agreed. She sounds much more confident when she's not reading scripts.

oldbookguy 11-14-2007 12:59 PM

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PPABryan, possible to get a question posed; what about AOL, MSN et al offering card games for wagering, non poker, why no prosecutions?

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Orlando Salazar 11-14-2007 01:07 PM

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he was cutting he off on that james bond Q bout inside str8 flush odds....


Bryan Spadaro
Membership Relations, Manager
Poker Players Alliance

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You don't need a movie for an example. See this hand. Durrrr and Son-In-Law played it with skill.
http://www.highstakesdb.com/forum/Topic37164-16-1.aspx

oldbookguy 11-14-2007 01:15 PM

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To see the referenced games go to:

http://zone.msn.com/en/root/default.htm

click cash games.

Also, YAHOO!

http://games.yahoo.com/skill-games

We need someone to actually challenge, more than horse racing, the wagering stance, in cards.

obg

meleader2 11-14-2007 01:24 PM

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he was cutting he off on that james bond Q bout inside str8 flush odds....


Bryan Spadaro
Membership Relations, Manager
Poker Players Alliance

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You don't need a movie for an example. See this hand. Durrrr and Son-In-Law played it with skill.
http://www.highstakesdb.com/forum/Topic37164-16-1.aspx

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its hands like this that ruin civilizations.

Berge20 11-14-2007 01:25 PM

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What we should try to get is a list of solid questions that a friendly member can submit for the record to the panel. So that if something doesnt come up, it can be gotten in writing.

TheEngineer 11-14-2007 01:27 PM

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Looks like they're starting back up.

KEW 11-14-2007 01:28 PM

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To see the referenced games go to:

http://zone.msn.com/en/root/default.htm

click cash games.

Also, YAHOO!

http://games.yahoo.com/skill-games

We need someone to actually challenge, more than horse racing, the wagering stance, in cards.

obg

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I do not think this is the time for this skill site arguement...They are doing very well on attacking the Wire Act and the WTO implications...Focusing on these two will have the greatest impact...I do not know the legal process but if I was the Bush Admin or the head of the DOJ I would get that Lady out of there.."Our" side to me is very close to backing her into a corner that she will not be able to get out of..

Dak9885 11-14-2007 01:31 PM

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This guy is sick good. Didn't catch his name?

TheEngineer 11-14-2007 01:32 PM

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Go Wexler!

KEW 11-14-2007 01:34 PM

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Go Wexler!

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He's the man...Here we go..

1p0kerboy 11-14-2007 01:36 PM

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Go Wexler!

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He's good.

TheEngineer 11-14-2007 01:45 PM

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Nice of Catherine Hanaway to finally admit that poker sites haven't been used to launder money via chip dumping.

1p0kerboy 11-14-2007 01:48 PM

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Hey, Annie Duke is doing a very good job IMO.

TheEngineer 11-14-2007 01:52 PM

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I hate Goodlatte.

1p0kerboy 11-14-2007 01:53 PM

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I hate Goodlatte.

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Dak9885 11-14-2007 01:54 PM

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I hate Goodlatte.

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meleader2 11-14-2007 01:55 PM

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i heard he plays UB's 50nl 6max tables.

Uglyowl 11-14-2007 01:56 PM

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Alcohol should be outlawed because a 30 year old can buy beer and give it to a 16 year old and I, Bob Goodlatte, would never know. There doesn't exist a BPS (Beer Positioning System) does there?

Edit: I think Goodlatte thinks he is Bill O'Reilly "LET ME FINISH"

iponnet 11-14-2007 01:56 PM

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I hate Goodlatte.

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watching these old farts make decisions based on ablsolutely outdated ideas and principals makes me wish there was an age limit to run for congress...

Dak9885 11-14-2007 01:57 PM

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Omg this guy is putting me on life tilt.

Capitola 11-14-2007 01:57 PM

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Nice to have someone on the other side admit that gambling online is not illegal (i.e. the FBI website is BS). Was that the US attorney stating that? Nice little point for our side imo.

Uglyowl 11-14-2007 02:00 PM

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Bob Goodlatte is a filthy liar!

Haha.. Wieler called him out about the WTO.

Uglyowl 11-14-2007 02:04 PM

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Goodlatte: "What if it wasn't gambling we accidently allowed, but Cocaine, or Rocket Grenades from Columbia: How would you feel then"

zimmer879 11-14-2007 02:04 PM

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Wow. Go Weiler!

YoureToast 11-14-2007 02:04 PM

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Bob Goodlatte is a filthy liar!

Haha.. Wieler called him out about the WTO.

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Is Wieler new to our fight? Hes a great advocate -- mostly because he is far more knowledgeable about the WTO than anyone else.

TheEngineer 11-14-2007 02:04 PM

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Bob Goodlatte is a filthy liar!

Haha.. Wieler called him out about the WTO.

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Nice!

1p0kerboy 11-14-2007 02:07 PM

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Are they done for the day or will they be back?

Uglyowl 11-14-2007 02:07 PM

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Bob Goodlatte is a filthy liar!

Haha.. Wieler called him out about the WTO.

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Nice!

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Gotta go back to work, but Goodlate made it sound like the WTO agreements were written in the stone ages (when internet gambling was not even fathomable) and it was pointed out that the agreement was only from 1995.

Keep me (and the rest of the working stiffs with no access)updated please.

TheEngineer 11-14-2007 02:07 PM

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The first part went okay. The second part went better. Hopefully we'll deliver the knockout punch in the final part.

KEW 11-14-2007 02:07 PM

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I hate time limits!!!!!

TheEngineer 11-14-2007 02:08 PM

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Are they done for the day or will they be back?

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They'll be back. Glad I'm working from home today.

flight2q 11-14-2007 02:11 PM

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Nice of Catherine Hanaway to finally admit that poker sites haven't been used to launder money via chip dumping.

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I assume you're joking. But I have to consider that maybe she did and I missed it. The feed keeps crapping out on me and I have to relaunch it.

KEW 11-14-2007 02:12 PM

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I hate Goodlatte.

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He is sounding very angry..That holds well for us..IMO his agruement about the WTO made him look like a moron..He wants to cry and take his ball home..

TheEngineer 11-14-2007 02:14 PM

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Nice of Catherine Hanaway to finally admit that poker sites haven't been used to launder money via chip dumping.

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I assume you're joking. But I have to consider that maybe she did and I missed it. The feed keeps crapping out on me and I have to relaunch it.

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No...she really said it.

KEW 11-14-2007 02:15 PM

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Nice of Catherine Hanaway to finally admit that poker sites haven't been used to launder money via chip dumping.

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I assume you're joking. But I have to consider that maybe she did and I missed it. The feed keeps crapping out on me and I have to relaunch it.

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She 100% admitted that there has been no money laundering other then the "illegal gambling" money...

PPABryan 11-14-2007 02:19 PM

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I think Bobby Scott was excellent and knowledgable and is following up very well on what he spoke to us about at the fly-in....more Q&A to follow and it should be worth hearing to say the least, too bad the vote was now it was really heating up


Bryan Spadaro
Membership Relations, Manager
Poker Players Alliance

tangled 11-14-2007 02:19 PM

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Hannaway’s testimony and her description of the DOJ’s position that all placing of bets online is illegal, provides a big opportunity for us I think. Because of this position it might be possible to make the horse racing industry and major sports feel criminally vulnerable and thereby turn their powerful lobbies to help legalize online gaming. To do this, pressure has to be put on the DOJ to make some kind of arrest towards these groups.

Also, does this situation provide an equal protection issue? I know prosecutors have a great deal of discretion, but this situation is so over the top that it smacks of something more than discretion used with good faith.

flight2q 11-14-2007 02:19 PM

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Goodlatte: "What if it wasn't gambling we accidently allowed, but Cocaine, or Rocket Grenades from Columbia: How would you feel then"

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Weiler has been chewing them up. But from what I heard he neglected to mention here that cocaine is different because we don't have USA companies legally providing cocaine in USA (AFAIK). Great work making it clear what he was commenting on (why moral argument didn't pass muster with WTO) and getting his point across.

and LOL - Beer Positioning System FTW.
These Luddites really don't understand technology - that's why they keep claiming money laundering is a bigger risk online than at B&M.

Orlando Salazar 11-14-2007 02:21 PM

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Uhh yeah, I could easily go to vegas and trade some guy cash for his chips then cashout at the cage AND pay my taxes.


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