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Based on this week's final episode, shall we officially call the K8 suited the "Lederer"?

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lol @ thinking howard and phil dont like each other. just b/c on called the other idiot or w/e

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Hellmuth's awesome. Ferguson is so bothersome; I would get furious with him at table.

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Really? Hellmuth is awesome and Ferguson makes me furious. Is this a level?

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What does this mean?
Is using the word level, leveling?
Because everyone uses it. And to me it sounds like posing. Come up with new rants. PLease.
Or, legitimate language, and argument.
Thank you.

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Hellmuth: "Howard probably has more experience playing Heads-Up NLHE"

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"the best holdem player in the world is by far me, it's not even close, in tournaments and.. i mean there's some that are close to me in cash games.. i havent proved myself in the cash games.. i crushed all the holdem cash games for years.. but not at the super high limits"

Ivey's face is priceless

Can't he just shut up and play the highest games on full tilt? He should prove himself instead of all the talk, there's no doubt he's serious

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Hellmuth: "Howard probably has more experience playing Heads-Up NLHE"


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Let me throw this out there... because clearly Phil Helmuth has accomplished some things in his poker career. So it seems virtually impossible he is as bad as he seems to be playing on TV events lately.

Any chance he is putting on this ridiculous act on TV in hopes of not showing up how he plays in situations where he is not likely to be on tv? IE is he playing possum and trying to throw people off from reading him on tv.

I know it is far-fetched, but sometimes I watch Phil play, and it is ridiculous. Like there is no rhyme or reason as to what he is doing. I don't want to give him too much credit, but seriously he plays poorly so often on tv it seems impossible to be how he is playing all the time.

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IMO Helmuth is a great player in live MMT with avg to good player. On this PAD tournament is not his game. It;s a SNG winner take all with good to great player. but in this last show he play a good game. ya he talk alot but that part of the game. and his 88 where in a good spot it would have be interesting to see what had happen if that had held up.

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I think Phil plays OK and can win when things go his way, but his rants are pure drivel.

Like on the hand where Chris Ferguson raised with JJ to $2400 and Phil re-raised to $6K, Chris pushed all in and Hellmuth had to fold. Hellmuth was right in thinking that because it folded to Chris in the button he may have bet out with a weak hand, but when Chris pushed all in he knew that he was beaten and could not call. I had no problem with the play from either of them. But then Phil starts ranting about how people play too reckless and blah blah blah . . .
The fact is that Phil made a play in the hopes that Chris had raised from the button with QT and got his hand caught in the cookie jar - Once Chris shoved Phil KNEW that Chris had either a strong ace or a decent pocket pair. Phil was the one making a play with a weak hand and he was going on about other players being too reckless.

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I noticed that too , and I now am 100% sure that Hellmuth is delibrately doing this sort of thing. He is trying to throw off everyone - and make them think he is really folding something good. The image he is trying to project: he is a tight very timid player easy to push around.
The problem is the other pros are not going to fall for that kind of stuff but most amateurs would ..
Another thing - it seemed like his objective was to be on TV for all 5 nights and he accomplished that ...
That marketing machine keeps on rolling

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I think hellmuth's upset since most of the time it cost him 40k everytime this season(Gus' props) and he's never close to winning. He and Matusow are the only regulars never to have won it (0-11), and never seem to have any chance.

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omg the picture above

and the two most interesting parts IMO:

Phil is so sick for the call in the final hand.


I think Howard and Hellmuth might really hate each other

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if you were hellmuth wouldn't you! lol

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IMO Helmuth is a great player in live MMT with avg to good player. On this PAD tournament is not his game. It;s a SNG winner take all with good to great player. but in this last show he play a good game. ya he talk alot but that part of the game. and his 88 where in a good spot it would have be interesting to see what had happen if that had held up.

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grimis, u donkey [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])

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The image he is trying to project: he is a tight very timid player easy to push around.

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That's not the image he's trying to project, that is the imagine he DOES project because it describes him perfectly. Deep down he knows he is nothing more than a giant nit who could never weave his way through the complex strategies good LAG play involves and he's ashamed of it, so he tries to tell people he's being a nit on purpose... over and over and over and........

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ivey best ever

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I fail at capturing images but this is the best I could get from the corner of the screen.

Hellmuth doing the 'pull your arm back to stretch and casually put it around the girl you're sitting next to' move to Shana.

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Wouldn't you do the same?

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The opposition in live MTTs is so weak, a competent nit like Hellmuth can crush those games.

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Also - Howard Ledered is equally a douche. Listening to him say he wasn't feeling Jay-Z's last album made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.

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What? How does having an opinion on rap albums makes you a douche?

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Because he's an old dude. Unless it's Rick Rubin, I don't want to hear an old dude talk about which hip hop albums he's bangin' in his iPod. Sorry Dad, save that [censored] for the heads who know...

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Because he's an old dude. Unless it's Rick Rubin, I don't want to hear an old dude talk about which hip hop albums he's bangin' in his iPod. Sorry Dad, save that [censored] for the heads who know...

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Then don't watch his f'n tv show.

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omg the picture above

and the two most interesting parts IMO:

Phil is so sick for the call in the final hand.


I think Howard and Hellmuth might really hate each other

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if you were hellmuth wouldn't you! lol

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Other way around. Hellmuth is a douche.

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is this Dave from chicago

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that is the imagine he DOES project because it describes him perfectly.

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I take it then you consider yourself a better player than him?
He does this to take money off amateurs who think this way - thats how he gets these braclets ..
Phil Ivey doesn't make money playing people around his skill level either no poker player really can in the long run.
A giant nit cannot win that many braclets..
THe PAD is just TV time for him .

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A giant nit cannot win that many braclets..

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What do you mean? He has 11! Doesn't that prove that a giant nit CAN win that many bracelets?

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I sincerely hope then that other giant nits like Jman try this very easy WSOP thing...I am sure he can have 30 by the time he reaches his 40s

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Enjoyed this show. Was entertaining to see Ivey somewhat animated with the table talk at the big hand heads up with Lederer.

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yeah... and jman and his brethren will win so much that they'll buy up every casino on the strip and kick out all the horrible live players and just put internet lounges in where the poker tables used to be

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Is there any way to determine Hellmuth's number of expected bracelets if he were an average player in every WSoP tournament he played? For example, in a 60-player tournament he'd have a winning probability of 1/60.