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gotta call

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no you don't.

I agree w/ magicninjas rant here.

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how would you know what to do

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care to explain this a bit further? the 0ev proposition.

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The EV of folding is always zero. By folding, you do not expect to gain or lose anything. Folding can still be a bad EV-play if EV(Call)>0, and this is where the confusion arises.

If you decided EV(Call)=+100, then you do lose 100 by folding, but the EV of folding is not negative, it's still zero.

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i think most of the time he has a hand like TJcc or a straight here, likely one that includes a 7... your hand is very possibly a set given the utg open and calling of a reraise. that board crushed that range and cole should know this... so while it's possible and makes a lot of sense that he would have a draw here, it would have to be a pretty big draw. and if he does have a made hand, pushing is pretty much the only size bet that makes sense on the turn given your range. i think it's close but i can definitely find a fold here.

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i agree with vanessa completely here.

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care to explain this a bit further? the 0ev proposition.

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The EV of folding is always zero. By folding, you do not expect to gain or lose anything. Folding can still be a bad EV-play if EV(Call)>0, and this is where the confusion arises.

If you decided EV(Call)=+100, then you do lose 100 by folding, but the EV of folding is not negative, it's still zero.

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Technically so would betting 2100 and folding for 100 more. Doesn't mean we should analyze the hand that way

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how would you know what to do

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How would you know? Someone opened something other than AA/KK utg!!

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agree with vanessa and bigt

"the only made hand beating you is a 7x"
I dont really agree. I can see CTS showing up with QQ KK sometimes here as he wont get alot of value by betting the flop with those hands. Playing it the way he did and waiting for a non 7JQ turn to push is safer and makes it harder for the guy who wanted to CR allin with JJ or AJ or a set on the flop.

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and to do a calculation, giving CTS a range of QQ+, 77, 78,79, AK-ATcc, KQ-KTcc and QJs our equity is 25%. We need 36% equity to call. So id fold.

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agree with vanessa and bigt

"the only made hand beating you is a 7x"
I dont really agree. I can see CTS showing up with QQ KK sometimes here as he wont get alot of value by betting the flop with those hands. Playing it the way he did and waiting for a non 7JQ turn to push is safer and makes it harder for the guy who wanted to CR allin with JJ or AJ or a set on the flop.

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I agree with this ... I Also like a check behind with qj here if I'm cole as hes getting it in vs any 2 pair/ set anyway so he doent need to protect against a turned full house, it also gives us a chance to set up/ pair/ make a dumby strt/bluff.

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magicninja,

don't get me wrong here. i agree with most everything you're saying. all i'm saying is that i for one am lazy and would just choose to ignore a random posting a one-liner (as eye-rolling as it might be to read them). now if there were like 50 different posts like that and it was just cluttering up the thread, that's a different story. personally, i don't play quite this high yet either, but i'm well on my way and i feel like i know enough to contribute here. i love learning and i enjoy posting in HSNL cuz it gives me an opportunity to see if great players (such as yourself) agree/disagree with me. k, /hijack, sorry for the clutter guys.