Re: Massive Hero fold
 

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Hate the flop cap. Don't even love the flop raise.



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I knew it was coming.

Re: Massive Hero fold
 

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Hate the flop cap. Don't even love the flop raise.



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I knew it was coming.

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i'm having a hard time figuring out which of our outs can be cleaned up. i guess AT and AQ might fold for 2 cold sometimes.

or is this a straight value raise because you know the other two are never folding?

Re: Massive Hero fold
 

spite call imo... or not .. whatver

agree that jamming flop is bad, 6 outs to the nuts, 2 tainted outs, and possible FH redraws do not give you an equity edge and you'll never get a free river card

Re: Massive Hero fold
 

even i might call this

Re: Massive Hero fold
 

i call ... and not just because i dont think i have a fold button


what if he had a set... or a worse straight... or its a tie?

plus you have showdown value with that str8

zomg plz call

Re: Massive Hero fold
 

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what if he had a set... or a worse straight... or its a tie?

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I'm not saying you're absolutely wrong, but just try a little hand reading. Put him on something, given that he jammed the flop and shut down completely on the turn. Then ask yourself if any player who is capable of playing the flop that way would play the turn that way with the hands you think I can beat or chop with.

EDIT: I know I asked for the ass-kicking, but I'm just playing my own advocate in this post because while I like the posts which say "it's close, but I'd pay off," I don't like the posts which just say "ZOMG U have straight, call! He might have a set" because they do seem to uncover a lack of hand-reading skills.

Re: Massive Hero fold
 

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spite call imo... or not .. whatver

agree that jamming flop is bad, 6 outs to the nuts, 2 tainted outs, and possible FH redraws do not give you an equity edge and you'll never get a free river card

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also can toss in the slimmish chance that you might only be drawing to a split-pot anyway.

Re: Massive Hero fold
 

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Folding here will get more observant opponents to start playing back at you more on the river, either and and out of position. This is awful.

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Way to lift the phrase "more observant opponents" (in this context) and the spirit of the first sentence straight out of 2+2 literature!

--Nate

Re: Massive Hero fold
 

I think its an excellent fold, although probably not one that I'm personally cabable of making in such a big pot. I do believe it is the correct play given how the BB check/called 2 big bets on the turn after that flop action, when is that ever not a flush draw?

I think alot of people are forgetting that we dont close the action here, the button is still to act behind us and after the action he put in on the turn he may well raise.

So for all the people who are saying that this is an easy call, what are you doing if say the button raises then the BB 3bets? are we folding then? Or are we just calling down blindly since we had the nuts on the turn? remember there are no prizes for 2nd place here....

Re: Massive Hero fold
 

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I never ever fold this. It's a one BB mistake (not even that) and folding the best hand here is just a disaster.

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