Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)
 

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Calling three PSB's (barring a Ten on turn or river) has much more value than raise/folding imo.

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Well obviously with a set if you're folding to a raise you shouldn't be raising.

Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)
 

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I would definitely have raised pre especially given that he raised UTG. By calling, you have no idea where you stand. Better to invest more pre so you can play it easier postflop.

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This is all very wrong. Just because it's "easier to play"...doesn't mean it's the most +EV.

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Why not? You set the stage to reduce the chances that you'll make a mistake. Why wouldn't you want that? Unless the UTG opener is a nit, JJ has a good chance of being ahead of his range plus you have fold equity and position. You also reduce the chances that people behind you will call, which is not something you want with high pocket pairs.

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because easy != +EV, and JJ is rarely ahead of his range for calling your 3-bet, so you're sucking all the value from it. LOL @ playing JJ for folding equity

Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)
 

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Pre-flop is bad

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Erm, no its not in the slightest.

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edit: calling >> b/f

Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)
 

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Calling three PSB's (barring a Ten on turn or river) has much more value than raise/folding imo.

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Well obviously with a set if you're folding to a raise you shouldn't be raising.

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Well this obviously isn't obvious to OP because he bet/folded. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Versus a really really straightforward ultra nitty villain you could conceivably save money by bet/folding sets, but this is so rare that it's not worthy of consideration imo.

Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)
 

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Okay, got on a computer with Stove. It's a shove. I thought with a range this narrow and two over set possibilities you'd have had much less equity than this, but even if he never gets out of line you're only a slight dog.

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38,610 games 0.005 secs 7,722,000 games/sec

Board: Kd Jc Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.405% 44.37% 01.03% 17132 399.00 { JhJs }
Hand 1: 54.595% 53.56% 01.03% 20680 399.00 { KK-QQ, AcKc, ATs, KQs, T9s, ATo, KJo+ }

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This totally sells the shove for me. I thought I was way further behind his range. I know I shouldn't be raise/folding with sets, but I've never had a 2BI pot at 200NL before and I kind of panicked, hence the thread title.

Good posts guys, thanks.

Re: I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)
 

As I stated before, villain has to be pretty terrible to 3 bet this flop with KQ/KJ 200bbs deep.

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As I stated before, villain has to be pretty terrible to 3 bet this flop with KQ/KJ 200bbs deep.

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I don't think that it's too unreasonable for an unknown party 200NLer to do. They probably should be weighted lighter though, but on the flipside so should AT and 9Ts

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Never folding this.

Also, Preflop dont matter anything

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As I stated before, villain has to be pretty terrible to 3 bet this flop with KQ/KJ 200bbs deep.

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I don't think that it's too unreasonable for an unknown party 200NLer to do. They probably should be weighted lighter though, but on the flipside so should AT and 9Ts

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I'm not saying people don't play KQ/KJ this way, I'm just saying that a good villain will play much much more cautiously with two pair on this flop 200bbs deep. I don't see the correlation between AT/T9 and KQ/KJ though, maybe you could fill me in?

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You can't fold this on the flop. Even against a ridiculously narrow range you've got great equity. And if he is decent his range is not so narrow as some folks are saying.

As for preflop, calling is OK, but IMO 200BB deep you should be reraising a much wider range of hands than you would with 100BB, assuming he's not a nit. It makes his life very difficult.