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thanks TT!


OP: Don't forget to check out the master stickies in the SSNL and MSNL forums. Plenty of meat to chew on there.

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I wouldn't say it if it wasnt true Matt... its going to be a very popular book. Congrats to you and the boys! When the book comes out it would be great if you start a "B&M NL" thread here to discuss how players can adjust to the table texture in a live game. There is a common thread among some in this forum that they assume B&M and online games "play" different, it would be great if you can discuss how the concepts are the same between online and live with adjustments according to table texture, opponent information, etc. I think it would help a lot of players who are hard-core B&M forum fans who may not visit the Full Ring NL or SSNL forums that often!

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As a dealer at the IP I can verify he is not kidding. The games are so soft it is crazy. It is a high variance game with people calling down with 2nd pair, etc. Buy-ins are capped at 200, min of 60. You get $2 per hour when you are playing in cash games for comps... which goes a long way in that place as food is cheap.

Stay away from the buffet, 5th floor is good tho.

I work days, so if you are in there feel free to stop in and say Hello. Only bald white guy on Days... can't miss me.

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ok well the 1/2 game at Imperial is absolutely ridiculously soft. If there's a softer game during the drinking hours, I don't know of it.

But as everyone said, you're massively jumping the gun with your roll and even probably your skill level. Sounds like you're taking a much too simplistic strategic view of things.

Can you beat the 1/2 game online at all ? I mean if you can break even at that you'll crush the IP game. But if you're a net loses at the 1/2 game online, it's not time to go at this with any kind of ambition...

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So what kind of hourly can one expect at 1/2NL? I can't think it would be more than $10 an hour after rake/tips....

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For some people, yes.

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So what kind of hourly can one expect at 1/2NL? I can't think it would be more than $10 an hour after rake/tips....

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I have heard that an expert player can sustain $15 per hour in these games.

Obviously most players who can do that move up and don't play in these games. Check out this thread where the OP is making $40/hr in super soft 1/2 games over almost 400 hours, though even he admits that that is through good game selection and he doubts the games that allow this will be around all year.

I would hazard to guess that a decent 2+2er who can beat 25NKL or 50NL online could average $10/hour over the long term if they could avoid boredom or tilt.

Anyone got other opinions or experience?

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My 1/2 rate is pretty insane - somewhere in the 70 per hour range, but very limited hours (I only play 1/2 when waiting for something, generally 30-40 min sessions).

I honestly think 20-25 per hour is reasonably sustainable over extended periods, providing good psychological management and game selection.

Reality is that's live poker - all short term results and quite frankly, a long term highly profitable 1/2 NL player should not exist as the $$EV will be higher elsewhere.

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Yeah, think of it like this, a player with a 20BI roll ($4k) and a true (but unknown) winrate of $15/hr:

* would need 800-1000 hours of play to get in 25k hands to establish his winrate as something other than variance

* but would hit the $10k BR requirement for the 2-5 game in an average of only 400 hours

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the thing that i have always found interesting about these types of discussions is that for me and maybe some others is that a hourly rate of say 20-25 per hour would be more then enough for me to live my life. so playing 1-2 no-limit hold'em in the right areas of the country should allow a good player to obtain the result with the least amount of risk. the most i have ever made per hour at a "real job" was 10.25 per hour being told what to do and having to be there when they said i had to. but i understand that others need a higher life style and 20 per hour dosent cut it.

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i'm in the same boat kinda as this guy but ive been playing for around 4 years online now beating the games, although i just can't stand the online games anymore. It's not the same as a live game, not even close.

i could play for hours to stack someone at a rate of 60-80 hands per hour. but when i hit a casino i walk away with two stacks in 40 minutes. The games at casinos are crazy soft.

I've been saving up a bankroll for casino niagara, and the fallsview, which i live near ( in niagara falls canada. Usually when i play there i play the 1/2 games (100 max), so i only really need 2k.

usually when i play there i just steal blinds if I can to stay afloat, till i hit a monster or get some big pockets.
then when im a deep stack i just play more lag and just clean up.

have not had the opporitunity or the bankroll to play in the higher stakes games yet but look forward to it one day.

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move up asap cause the time charge in that game is ridiculous. 100 max buyin and $5 per half hour is absurd...move up to the 5/5 when you have $5k.

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I've seen sets folded countless times on the flop and even middling flushes folded on unpaired boards as well.

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Sorry, this is at normal 1/2 NL tables in Vegas? I call shenanigans.