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registrar 03-31-2007 10:20 AM

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 
Hmmn. The fact he didn't raise the SB donk bet makes me less sure now, because it takes two-pair and str8 draw+ pair type hands somewhat out of his range. However, in general, this is such an easy scare card to bluff, there's lots of made hands and draws which will call and a [censored] of rivers we hate.

Foucault 03-31-2007 10:31 AM

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 
Guys turn is definitely a check back, the only hand we lose substantial value against is the OESD. Compared to being able to value bet safe rivers against hands that would fold the turn, get away if he bets the river hard, and stack him if the board pairs, it doesn't seem that close to me.

Reg, his range on the turn is 99% flushes. Shoving is suicidal.

Edit: And raise harder on the flop, you know someone is drawing.

registrar 03-31-2007 10:33 AM

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 
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Reg, his range on the turn is 99% flushes. Shoving is suicidal.

Edit: And raise harder on the flop, you know someone is drawing.

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Yeah, I see that now. Wasn't paying attention to intial flop action (call of SB donk) so was putting two pair and stronger made+draw hands in his range.

Pudge714 03-31-2007 01:44 PM

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 
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Guys turn is definitely a check back, the only hand we lose substantial value against is the OESD. Compared to being able to value bet safe rivers against hands that would fold the turn, get away if he bets the river hard, and stack him if the board pairs, it doesn't seem that close to me.

Reg, his range on the turn is 99% flushes. Shoving is suicidal.

Edit: And raise harder on the flop, you know someone is drawing.

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Wow I disagree a lot with this post. People suck at poker, they will call this turn bet with the bare Ad a bare 4. Top pair all these stupid. As played this turn isn't 99% flushes, whenever I convince myself that villian always has a flush they turn over some stupid hand which reminds me how easy this game is. As played river is really close as you only need to be good like 30% of the time here. I probably raise more on the flop.

Eagles 03-31-2007 02:03 PM

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 
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I'd three-bet shove the turn. Why is nobody else doing that?

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What exactly is this supposed to accomplish?

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You get his stack when he instacalls with j4.


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