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LeapFrog 03-08-2007 10:13 PM

Re: My poker database has me convinced...
 
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Well, I can't do analysis, because my binomial calculator doesn't go to more than 6 decimal places, and I'm not doing it by hand. The guys in the probability forum have stat packages to do a definitive analysis, and more credibility than me. Suffice to say, these numbers are absolute proof of rigging if OP hasn't fudged anything.

Can someone else check January's numbers (I play Omaha)? There should be approximately 9 offsuit hands (i.e. AKo) per 1000 hands, 3 suited per 1000, and 4.5 pairs. If the numbers are way off, please post.

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Given how easy it would be to prove rigging with Poker Tracker(or whatever) and the number of people using it, why in gods name would Party take the risk? You don't squeeze the hell out of your golden goose to get one more egg per day. I would believe that there is an error in Poker Tracker way way before I would buy that Party is rigging. If it were conclusively proven they would be [censored].

ginko 03-08-2007 10:38 PM

Re: My poker database has me convinced...
 
There two explanations:

1)Party poker is rigged.

2)You ran hot for 20k hands(extremely small sample).


Hmm.. this is a tough one.


PS. The reason MicroBob is laughing at this is not because hes defending online poker, its just that bad players cant deal with luck in poker, and there is a new thread every other day saying online poker is rigged because someone got multiple bad beats in a day/week/month and they dont comprehend.

J_B 03-08-2007 11:03 PM

Re: My poker database has me convinced...
 
Note though that the OP (unlike most) isn't complaining about losing, just that the stats seem way off.

sixhigh 03-08-2007 11:24 PM

Re: My poker database has me convinced...
 
The odds of getting AA 223 times within 26101 hands are approx. 1:10E15. (My calculator does not have enough digits)
In other words impossible.

There are only two ways to explain this:

a) Party is rigged.
b) OP rigged his stats.

Maybe OP could post the raw handhistories, to prove b) is not the case.

stompin 03-08-2007 11:37 PM

Re: My poker database has me convinced...
 
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The odds of getting AA 223 times within 26101 hands are approx. 1:10E15. (My calculator does not have enough digits)
In other words impossible.

There are only two ways to explain this:

a) Party is rigged.
b) OP rigged his stats.

Maybe OP could post the raw handhistories, to prove b) is not the case.

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yes I am willing to make available my raw hand histories.

To be honest I dont like the idea of giving up party profits if that ends up being what happens but anyway....we're all better off long run if poker is clean I think.

I'm not sure the best way to do it - Ideally a group or Individual respected in the poker community takes interest. Any suggestions would be helpful.

LionelHutz00 03-08-2007 11:46 PM

Re: My poker database has me convinced...
 
Maybe OP has a filter on and he doesn't know it. Look at this screenshot:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2...nectorsxy5.png
Looks like PT is filtering hands in which hero saw the flop, or something similar, since you're more likely to play good hands than bad hands.

stompin 03-08-2007 11:54 PM

Re: My poker database has me convinced...
 
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Maybe OP has a filter on and he doesn't know it. Look at this screenshot:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2...nectorsxy5.png
Looks like PT is filtering hands in which hero saw the flop, or something similar, since you're more likely to play good hands than bad hands.

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Yes that is filtered. A previous poster asked me to filter so I filtered for sc's, pp's and offsuit hands and posted each. there are a few k hands that are missing from those screenshots - the suited non-connectors.

they are not filtered as to whether they saw flop or anything. 26k hands is all the hands played.

LionelHutz00 03-08-2007 11:54 PM

Re: My poker database has me convinced...
 
For example, here are my frequencies of pocket pairs so far this year:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e7...de3751/pt1.jpg

And here it is filtered for hands in which I voluntarily put money in the pot:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e7...de3751/pt2.jpg
ZOMG RIGGGED

OP check your filters

LionelHutz00 03-09-2007 12:01 AM

Re: My poker database has me convinced...
 
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they are not filtered as to whether they saw flop or anything. 26k hands is all the hands played.

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screenshot of Known Hands Filter plz

El_Hombre_Grande 03-09-2007 12:04 AM

Re: My poker database has me convinced...
 
Can we get a super-wonk in here? I need to take my shoes off to count to 11, but this looks very strange. Those deviations aren't possible. Dismissing it by saying its too small misses the point. It is small, but not small enough for those deviations. Explanation, please?


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