Re: nl200 yawn..i want to fold a set
 

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why do you actually call preflop if you cant put your money in when you hit your set?

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this is not accurate.

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Re: nl200 yawn..i want to fold a set
 

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Yawn is right

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srsly if u folded we arent friends anymore

Re: nl200 yawn..i want to fold a set
 

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Yo, initial raiser is very short.

Even beyond that 18/12 = raising decent aces/pairs in EP, cold calling pairs from any position, cold calling good aces/suited broadyway from most any position and a reasonable-tight mid/late position opening range.

Add cold calling short stacked late position raisers with suited connectors (eg- meaning he's cold calling any raiser with suited connectors) and his VPIP almost certainly goes above 18. Go as low as 56s and one gappers and that VPIP is going well above 18 real fast.

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According to Pokerstove, this is 14.2% of hands:

77+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,AJo+,KQ o

Eliminate KTs and the A2s-A9s, and you get 11.8% of hands. OH LOOK, what a coincidence, this guy seems to think that 12% of hands are "good" hands and raises them preflop.

This also looks like a lot of what I always see from these guys cold-calling from the blinds with. So my experience + pokerstove lead me to believe that SCs are within his range.

But, I dunno, you could just blindly trust your back-of-the-envelope equations instead.

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I love you magically start at 77 instead of 22. Not to mention any notion of a reasonable-tight mid/late open (KJ/KT/QJ/QT/etc) A++ argumentative/incorrect post, like always. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Re: nl200 yawn..i want to fold a set
 

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Yawn is right

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srsly if u folded we arent friends anymore

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Re: nl200 yawn..i want to fold a set
 

this thread is 30 something posts too long.



didn't fold..promptly shipped all my chips to 777

Re: nl200 yawn..i want to fold a set
 

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this thread is 30 something posts too long.

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Then you should not have made it, unless you only did so to make you feel better about a decision you probably felt was wrong when you were making it.

Most people are incapable of ever folding a set and that's perfectly fine. If you NEVER folded a set on the flop against anybody on any board texture, especially not with 100BB stacks, your earn rate wouldn't drop much at all. If you are capable of folding a set for 100BB stacks and are looking for a spot to do so, then this is one.

But like with all big hands, an incorrect fold is a MUCH MUCH bigger mistake than an incorrect call in the long run - since you will be ahead the vast majority of time in the vast majority of situations. Again, making never folding a perfectly legitimate, although unoptimal, option.

Re: nl200 yawn..i want to fold a set
 

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i think bilbo-san is great. he is so agressive and grumpy. and he also usually agrees with me

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Not grumpy. ARROGANT. There's a difference. Bastard.


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Re: nl200 yawn..i want to fold a set
 

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Yo, initial raiser is very short.

Even beyond that 18/12 = raising decent aces/pairs in EP, cold calling pairs from any position, cold calling good aces/suited broadyway from most any position and a reasonable-tight mid/late position opening range.

Add cold calling short stacked late position raisers with suited connectors (eg- meaning he's cold calling any raiser with suited connectors) and his VPIP almost certainly goes above 18. Go as low as 56s and one gappers and that VPIP is going well above 18 real fast.

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According to Pokerstove, this is 14.2% of hands:

77+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,AJo+,KQ o

Eliminate KTs and the A2s-A9s, and you get 11.8% of hands. OH LOOK, what a coincidence, this guy seems to think that 12% of hands are "good" hands and raises them preflop.

This also looks like a lot of what I always see from these guys cold-calling from the blinds with. So my experience + pokerstove lead me to believe that SCs are within his range.

But, I dunno, you could just blindly trust your back-of-the-envelope equations instead.

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I love you magically start at 77 instead of 22. Not to mention any notion of a reasonable-tight mid/late open (KJ/KT/QJ/QT/etc) A++ argumentative/incorrect post, like always. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Add 22-66, and you get to like 13.5%. Oh yeah, and I DID mention that it depends on his mid/late VPiP (the looser that is, the more positionally aware he is, and the tighter he is from EP to "stay tight" at 18%). I WROTE that, in THIS thread. Are you just ignoring it to piss me off?

Anyway, I was referring to your back-of-the-envelope math:

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Add cold calling short stacked late position raisers with suited connectors (eg- meaning he's cold calling any raiser with suited connectors) and his VPIP almost certainly goes above 18. Go as low as 56s and one gappers and that VPIP is going well above 18 real fast.

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In actual fact, if you add ALL the one-gappers down to 64s, and remove some offsuit stuff, you are about 18%. 18% in pokerstove includes stuff like ATo, KTo, Q9s and K9s that he likely won't play. Remove that stuff and add all the SCs and one-gappers (down to 6-high) and all the pairs, and it's a pretty damn reasonable estimate of his range. Don't just make [censored] up and tell me it adds up to > 18% "real fast".

Of course I am arrogant and argumentative. That's because you are usually wrong but write as though your opinion is definitive, and offer no factual support. That gets a rise out of me.

My argumentative, arrogant, opinions-disguised-as-statements-of-fact are usually at least backed up by some real math and some stuff worked out from pokerstove.

And furthermore, I don't berate others for being argumentative/arrogant unless I simultaneously pretending that I am not (this post being a case in point).

Re: nl200 yawn..i want to fold a set
 

Wow, so 5 additional pocket pairs now adds 1.5% total?

Wrong.

And now you're claiming he will play suited gappers down to 6 high, but he won't play AT/KJ/JQ/etc.

Dumbfounding.

And you are not arrogant in the tone of your posts. Quite the opposite, you come off insecure and 'attack-like'. Apparently contagious.