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wikemang 11-30-2007 06:39 AM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
wait..what?

iponnet 11-30-2007 06:41 AM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
If I am not mistaken hero is in bb so yeah folding is meah its probably better than calling and c/f the flop if no A/K hit, still I like to repop here so raise>fold>call

king_nothing_ 11-30-2007 06:43 AM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
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If I am not mistaken hero is in bb

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Oh. lol.

Still...

Das Budrick 11-30-2007 07:16 AM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
first this thread made me lmao

then the discussion put me on tilt



obviously raise preflop

raju 11-30-2007 09:12 AM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
raise preflop is the best option.
if you dont take it down then and there you at least have the inititative on the flop since you are oop. (assuming he calls. (40/2 right?))

If he re-pops pre, hmm, i dunno. calling blows oop.

llHessll 11-30-2007 10:08 AM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
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Although you would expect 40/2 's to raise only the nuts preflop, it so happens that a lot of them limp Aces and Kings and choose to raise every once in a while with some dopey hands.

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He's UTG+2, I can't assume he's randomly decided to pop it with JQ. If he was on the button, then perhaps...

PLAYOFFS 11-30-2007 10:09 AM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
If you repop it this seems to be the person that will not fold it nomatter what you have. In that case, I always think a call is much better than a raise since we really have no fold equity. If we knew he would fold to a 3-bet, then re-raise it. Also, you can reraise it either way, but I always like to think that I have a chance to win the pot right there with AK pf.

RapidEvolution 11-30-2007 10:18 AM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
I'd give villain a range of JJ+/AK. Normally, I like a 3bet here, but I agree with playoffs that this guy probably isn't laying anything down preflop. That having been said, I think it's a matter of how straightforward this guy is postflop. If you think hitting your hand is going to push him out unless your beat, then playing this kind of hand OOP probably isn't all that +EV and I agree with the fold. If you think he'll stack off with overcards on the board (which a 60/2 just might), then I like a call.

king_nothing_ 11-30-2007 10:33 AM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
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Although you would expect 40/2 's to raise only the nuts preflop, it so happens that a lot of them limp Aces and Kings and choose to raise every once in a while with some dopey hands.

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He's UTG+2, I can't assume he's randomly decided to pop it with JQ. If he was on the button, then perhaps...

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You're giving this guy way too much credit. What makes you think he cares about position at all? If he knew what the hell he was doing he wouldn't be running 40/2...

DJSHAD0W 11-30-2007 12:15 PM

Re: Folded AK to raise PF (Standard??)
 
I don't think the fold is too terrible, cuz a 2% Raising range is like JJ+ AKs or something like that (maybe even tighter if he tried to steal the blinds a few times to make a total of 2% PFR). What flop are you looking for to get a lot of money from this guy? AAK and hope he has KK? If you do hit your hand and get action you are at best chopping.
If you 3 bet he prolly won't fold anything - and not sure if you can get him to fold QQ and JJ on a flop with no overcards after 3 betting him.


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