Re: Bryce/Benyamine 1/2 HU.
 

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Why does Finddagrind just call the river with the nuts? Did he want to see hoss's hand?

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*** RIVER *** [Ks Jh 7s Kc] [Kh]
Hoss_TBF bets $2,000
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
Seat 1: FinddaGrind (button) showed [Jd Th] and won ($25,999) with a full house, Kings full of Jacks

JT is not the nuts.

Re: Bryce/Benyamine 1/2 HU.
 

Sorry, misread as KJ

Re: Bryce/Benyamine 1/2 HU.
 

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Full Tilt Poker Game #4026220142: Table Mirasol (6 max) - $1000/$2000 - Limit Hold'em - 17:30:09 ET - 2007/10/31
Seat 1: FinddaGrind ($45,990)
Seat 3: David Benyamine ($126,967)
Seat 6: Hoss_TBF ($41,976.50)
David Benyamine posts the small blind of $500
Hoss_TBF posts the big blind of $1,000
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
FinddaGrind raises to $2,000
David Benyamine raises to $3,000
Hoss_TBF raises to $4,000
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
David Benyamine calls $1,000
*** FLOP *** [Kd Jd 2s]
David Benyamine checks
Hoss_TBF bets $1,000
FinddaGrind raises to $2,000
David Benyamine folds
Hoss_TBF raises to $3,000
FinddaGrind calls $1,000
*** TURN *** [Kd Jd 2s] [9c]
Hoss_TBF bets $2,000
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
*** RIVER *** [Kd Jd 2s] [9c] [Qh]
Hoss_TBF bets $2,000
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hoss_TBF shows [Ad 3d] King, Queen High
FinddaGrind shows [7s 2c] pair of twos, seven kicker
FinddaGrind wins the pot ($25,999) with a pair of twos, seven kicker
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $26,000 | Rake $1
Board: [Kd Jd 2s 9c Qh]

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is this real? wtf this is incredibly sick

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WTFFFFFFF?

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wowowowow

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Was PA on vicious tilt or is this one of those 'ya have to be an 8-figure winner in these games to understand' plays.

Re: Bryce/Benyamine 1/2 HU.
 

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on other table:

Full Tilt Poker Game #4026220142: Table Mirasol (6 max) - $1000/$2000 - Limit Hold'em - 17:30:09 ET - 2007/10/31
Seat 1: FinddaGrind ($38,990)
Seat 3: David Benyamine ($70,967)
Seat 6: Hoss_TBF ($49,966.50)
David Benyamine posts the small blind of $500
Hoss_TBF posts the big blind of $1,000
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
FinddaGrind raises to $2,000
David Benyamine raises to $3,000
Hoss_TBF raises to $4,000
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
David Benyamine calls $1,000
*** FLOP *** [Ks Jh 7s]
David Benyamine checks
Hoss_TBF bets $1,000
FinddaGrind raises to $2,000
David Benyamine folds
Hoss_TBF raises to $3,000
FinddaGrind calls $1,000
*** TURN *** [Ks Jh 7s] [Kc]
Hoss_TBF bets $2,000
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
*** RIVER *** [Ks Jh 7s Kc] [Kh]
Hoss_TBF bets $2,000
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hoss_TBF shows [Ts 8s] three of a kind, Kings
FinddaGrind shows [Jd Th] a full house, Kings full of Jacks
FinddaGrind wins the pot ($25,999) with a full house, Kings full of Jacks
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $26,000 | Rake $1
Board: [Ks Jh 7s Kc Kh]
Seat 1: FinddaGrind (button) showed [Jd Th] and won ($25,999) with a full house, Kings full of Jacks
Seat 3: David Benyamine (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Hoss_TBF (big blind) showed [Ts 8s] and lost with three of a kind, Kings

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lol
what the hell is hoss thinking there, really?

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I haven't railed him much, but skipping out on calling altogether in this spot is classic hand balancing.

I really doubt he hopes to fold out any part of the button's range. AFAIK it's really wrong to ever fold for two more bets (with a cap) on the button.

The flop is obvious valuetown at the first bet, and a semi-bluff when he 3-bets and bets the turn.

At the river he holds the second-worst possible straight draw and one of the worst hands he could have, so of course he bluffs. That's game theory 101.

As for PA the only question is why he doesn't raise the river. And my guess is that he thinks it's unlikely that Hoss 3-bets any hand OOP worse than a jack on the flop that still bets and calls the river. Combined with the fact that Hoss very likely plays good jacks, QQ, kings and AA like this and probably 3-bets with QQ and better. The only "reasonable" worse hand I see PA catching on the river is 77.

Both lines are actually pretty standard.

Re: Bryce/Benyamine 1/2 HU.
 

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Full Tilt Poker Game #4026220142: Table Mirasol (6 max) - $1000/$2000 - Limit Hold'em - 17:30:09 ET - 2007/10/31
Seat 1: FinddaGrind ($45,990)
Seat 3: David Benyamine ($126,967)
Seat 6: Hoss_TBF ($41,976.50)
David Benyamine posts the small blind of $500
Hoss_TBF posts the big blind of $1,000
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
FinddaGrind raises to $2,000
David Benyamine raises to $3,000
Hoss_TBF raises to $4,000
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
David Benyamine calls $1,000
*** FLOP *** [Kd Jd 2s]
David Benyamine checks
Hoss_TBF bets $1,000
FinddaGrind raises to $2,000
David Benyamine folds
Hoss_TBF raises to $3,000
FinddaGrind calls $1,000
*** TURN *** [Kd Jd 2s] [9c]
Hoss_TBF bets $2,000
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
*** RIVER *** [Kd Jd 2s] [9c] [Qh]
Hoss_TBF bets $2,000
FinddaGrind calls $2,000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hoss_TBF shows [Ad 3d] King, Queen High
FinddaGrind shows [7s 2c] pair of twos, seven kicker
FinddaGrind wins the pot ($25,999) with a pair of twos, seven kicker
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $26,000 | Rake $1
Board: [Kd Jd 2s 9c Qh]

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is this real? wtf this is incredibly sick

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WTFFFFFFF?

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wowowowow

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Was PA on vicious tilt or is this one of those 'ya have to be an 8-figure winner in these games to understand' plays.

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I really can't imagine how this is anything above level 1 retardedness on PA's part. This is such an awful hand on so many levels it makes me sick.

Re: Bryce/Benyamine 1/2 HU.
 

yeah seriously. this is simply absurd. I thought it may have at least a semblance of being reasonable until I saw that hoss actually capped it preflop (making both PA's preflop and postflop play atrocious).

Re: Bryce/Benyamine 1/2 HU.
 

Hoss and PA at it again right now.

Re: Bryce/Benyamine 1/2 HU.
 

You guys do realize that the second HH with 72 is just a mockup of the first one, right? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Edit: Or maybe not.

Re: Bryce/Benyamine 1/2 HU.
 

yeah PA doesn't have a pair of 2s, 7kicker lol

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yeah PA doesn't have a pair of 2s, 7kicker lol

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lol indeed at people thinking that hand was real

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