Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

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Bet/fold is probably right, but I doubt I can do it.

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On the other hand, he probably has KJ/AA/AK just often enough to make a call ok. At least you still have chips!

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

I think villian shows down less than FH a significant % of the time. I would call his shove since our line could seem a little weak to him and our river bet might be read as a steal attempt with a 2nd best hand.

The final deciding factor for me is that if I call and lose I still have an average size stack. If I win, I am the monster stack.

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I think villian shows down less than FH a significant % of the time. I would call his shove since our line could seem a little weak to him and our river bet might be read as a steal attempt with a 2nd best hand.

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Then he would call with mediocre holdings.

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I think villian shows down less than FH a significant % of the time. I would call his shove since our line could seem a little weak to him and our river bet might be read as a steal attempt with a 2nd best hand.

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Then he would call with mediocre holdings.

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The problem for hero is that villain's going to see a lot of weaker holdings as very strong after this action, on that board, against (presumably) this hero.

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I think villian shows down less than FH a significant % of the time. I would call his shove since our line could seem a little weak to him and our river bet might be read as a steal attempt with a 2nd best hand.

The final deciding factor for me is that if I call and lose I still have an average size stack. If I win, I am the monster stack.

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Agreed.

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

Full Tilt Poker Game #1851138772: $20,000 Guarantee (13581681), Table 21 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:12:34 ET - 2007/02/22
Seat 1: Michael1123 (17,611)
Seat 2: Cam26 (12,252)
Seat 3: eggtart (22,878)
Seat 4: Mcknight99 (6,900)
Seat 6: gboro780 (42,406)
Seat 7: peenuthut (10,885)
Seat 9: UCanSMD (22,033)
Michael1123 antes 75
Cam26 antes 75
eggtart antes 75
Mcknight99 antes 75
gboro780 antes 75
peenuthut antes 75
UCanSMD antes 75
Michael1123 posts the small blind of 300
Cam26 posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gboro780 [Qd Th]
eggtart folds
Mcknight99 folds
gboro780 raises to 1,800
peenuthut folds
UCanSMD calls 1,800
Michael1123 folds
Cam26 folds
*** FLOP *** [8c Kh 8d]
gboro780 bets 3,000
UCanSMD calls 3,000
*** TURN *** [8c Kh 8d] [9s]
gboro780 has 15 seconds left to act
gboro780 checks
UCanSMD checks
*** RIVER *** [8c Kh 8d 9s] [Jh]
gboro780 bets 8,000
gboro780 has 15 seconds left to act
UCanSMD raises to 17,158, and is all in
gboro780 calls 9,158
*** SHOW DOWN ***
UCanSMD shows [Kd Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Eights)
gboro780 mucks
UCanSMD wins the pot (45,341) with a full house, Kings full of Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 45,341 | Rake 0
Board: [8c Kh 8d 9s Jh]
Seat 1: Michael1123 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Cam26 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: eggtart folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Mcknight99 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: gboro780 mucked [Qd Th] - a straight, King high
Seat 7: peenuthut folded before the Flop
Seat 9: UCanSMD (button) showed [Kd Ks] and won (45,341) with a full house, Kings full of Eights

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*** SHOW DOWN ***
UCanSMD shows [Kd Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Eights)


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I think you tip your hat and give him credit for a very nice slow play. Really all set up by his preflop smooth call. Nothing wrong with your line, just a cooler IMO.

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 

yeah, that sucks you had to hit your J on the river, but your play here will show a +EV long term, even if the short term results make you want to drop kick something