Re: OK
 

Call, not close. Freddy will either be folding or 5 betting when you 4 bet.

Re: OK
 

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with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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If you have A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] are you raising the river?

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i really don't know.

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Or at least does Freddy expect you to raise the Q - 9 of hearts? If he does I think you have a pretty straight forward 4 bet.

Re: OK
 

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Does he really open raise from EP w/5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?

I 4 bet then call. I think he has KQ with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

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i've opened in EP with 53s a lot more times than i've bet/3bet a K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in this kind of spot.

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really? I've bet/3-bet with Kh here against quite a few online lags.

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did you call a 4bet?

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probably [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], but you still make a good point.

Re: OK
 

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with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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Or at least does Freddy expect you to raise the Q - 9 of hearts? If he does I think you have a pretty straight forward 4 bet.

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why are you 4betting when he can likely never call? the guy is a LAG, not a retard.

Re: OK
 

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i really don't know.

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Or at least does Freddy expect you to raise the Q - 9 of hearts? If he does I think you have a pretty straight forward 4 bet.

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why are you 4betting when he can likely never call? the guy is a LAG, not a retard.

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I'm coming from an high limit online background where people aren't folding the K here. If you believe that he will fold the K then it's an easy call, if he's not folding then it's an easy 3 bet plain and simple. Only you can make that decision based on dynamics of the game or what not. It's a pretty straight forward situation really. My original point is just if freddy expects you to raise Q-9 of hearts that this is more than likely the K of hearts hence cap. If freddy knows you will only raise the river with the A of hearts it's an easy call.

Re: OK
 

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Or at least does Freddy expect you to raise the Q - 9 of hearts? If he does I think you have a pretty straight forward 4 bet.

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why are you 4betting when he can likely never call? the guy is a LAG, not a retard.

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I'm coming from an high limit online background where people aren't folding the K here. If you believe that he will fold the K then it's an easy call, if he's not folding then it's an easy 3 bet plain and simple. Only you can make that decision based on dynamics of the game or what not. It's a pretty straight forward situation really. My original point is just if freddy expects you to raise Q-9 of hearts that this is more than likely the K of hearts hence cap. If freddy knows you will only raise the river with the A of hearts it's an easy call.

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in most high limit online games, is it not a 4bet cap? thus, there is no fear of getting 5balled, but that is a real fear here.

Re: OK
 

Freddy will never call a reraise and I have played 500-1000 hours with him.

Re: OK
 

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And the way he runs against you, you would call the 3rd bet and hold your hand over the muck.

Re: OK
 

i must be amongst the fish that see more value in raising --> value gained raising (villain folds + villain calls w/worse) > value gained calling (hero wins maj of time, loses v rarely) + value lost raising (hero has to call a 5 bet when beat)

if this even makes sense

btw would the ppl who advocate raise, fold to 5 actually fold this in practice?

Re: OK
 

"value gained raising (villain folds"

realize there is no value gained if villain folds.