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Teph 07-17-2007 11:04 AM

Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?
 
I personally think hand 2 is the worst. Weak lead + call from pfr always leads to dixville. The ten on the turn also makes it easier for him to call any bet.

I hated hand 3, but I think a weak TAG folds a decent Q a fair amount of the time, so I have grown to like it the most.

Hand 1 you were probably snap called, but it has merit. I like the way you played it, but a lot of good players will either c/c or crai here.

JooWish622 07-17-2007 11:14 AM

Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?
 
wtf, can we please stop with the leveling here?

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What's everyone's big problem with 3? Villain looks primed for a c/c c/f line.

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JooWish622 07-17-2007 11:15 AM

Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?
 
what do you think villain's hand range is here??

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I personally think hand 2 is the worst. Weak lead + call from pfr always leads to dixville. The ten on the turn also makes it easier for him to call any bet.

I hated hand 3, but I think a weak TAG folds a decent Q a fair amount of the time, so I have grown to like it the most.

Hand 1 you were probably snap called, but it has merit. I like the way you played it, but a lot of good players will either c/c or crai here.

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punter11235 07-17-2007 11:32 AM

Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?
 
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Hand 1 is against the tightest opponent and one of the tightest regs. So I dont think I can fold it preflop against him.

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Nonsense alert !

I only kinda like hand no 1 (he folds KK/JJ/TT = 9combos, calls AK/QQ = 15 combos so probably its worth it given that you will see river anyway).
Rest are random bluffs with random hands and I dont believe playing taht way may be profitable vs anybody (well maybe vs some it is but those ppl are rare).

JooWish622 07-17-2007 11:36 AM

Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?
 
maybe not... it's def not total nonsense here.....

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Hand 1 is against the tightest opponent and one of the tightest regs. So I dont think I can fold it preflop against him.

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Nonsense alert !

I only kinda like hand no 1 (he folds KK/JJ/TT = 9combos, calls AK/QQ = 15 combos so probably its worth it given that you will see river anyway).
Rest are random bluffs with random hands and I dont believe playing may be profitable vs anybody (well maybe vs some it is).

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punter11235 07-17-2007 11:38 AM

Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?
 
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maybe not... it's def not total nonsense here.....

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I understand why ppl think it make sense.
I think its total bs though. The tigher the range the tighter you should play. "But he will go broke more often" is not enough, just do some math and see.

JooWish622 07-17-2007 11:48 AM

Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?
 
i guess you're right, given the shallowness of the stacks and the fact he cant possiby be just playing AA or KK here is enough, the times that he has AK here, which for argument sake is equal to the times he has KK or AA, should make it more of fold situation... and this is discounting queens and Aq which have even a less tendency to go broke when you hit sets.

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maybe not... it's def not total nonsense here.....

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I understand why ppl think it make sense.
I think its total bs though. The tigher the range the tighter you should play. "But he will go broke more often" is not enough, just do some math and see.

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higHstaKesOwneR 07-17-2007 11:52 AM

Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?
 
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think he meant 'again no scarecard'

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yes that's right

my english sucks and i was writing fast :P

TheWorstPlayer 07-17-2007 12:08 PM

Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?
 
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maybe not... it's def not total nonsense here.....

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I understand why ppl think it make sense.
I think its total bs though. The tigher the range the tighter you should play. "But he will go broke more often" is not enough, just do some math and see.

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How about "He will fold on every board he doesn't like and I know pretty much exactly which boards he doesn't like?" Would that be enough of a justification? FWIW, he tanked forever and folded.

JooWish622 07-17-2007 12:12 PM

Re: Bluffs: Which ones worked?
 
but think about the amount of money you burn when you're incorrect... if he plays trap a donk, this becomes even harder... especially if he mixes in PF reraises with maybe between 1/2 and 3/4 of his AK

you're gonig to be wrong floating with 44 on the flop sometimes... you'll be committing a pretty fishy mistake when that happens...

unless you float and hit your miracle 2 outer and stack AK... that's always fun.

but then you'll never float in this town again.



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maybe not... it's def not total nonsense here.....

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I understand why ppl think it make sense.
I think its total bs though. The tigher the range the tighter you should play. "But he will go broke more often" is not enough, just do some math and see.

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How about "He will fold on every board he doesn't like and I know pretty much exactly which boards he doesn't like?" Would that be enough of a justification? FWIW, he tanked forever and folded.

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