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Then you are in a bad moral place.

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do these pants make my butt look big?

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Sophistry is almost as bad as lying.

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Then you are in a bad moral place.

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do these pants make my butt look big?

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Sophistry is almost as bad as lying.

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And let's not even get started on sarcasm...

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Then you are in a bad moral place.

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do these pants make my butt look big?

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Sophistry is almost as bad as lying.

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And let's not even get started on sarcasm...

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You're going straight to hell for that.

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I really don't think either action is wrong.

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You don't think it's wrong to lie?

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Nah, I don't think it is especially wrong to lie.

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Then you are in a bad moral place.

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Well I'm sharing it with 99.99% of humankind so I don't really care - words are cheap when it comes to claiming moral superiority. If anything I'm the one being honest here.

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Posting without reading any of the thread, but it seems like a good spot for some form of compromise to me. Little less religion. Little more legal guardian and all that jazz.

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I really don't think either action is wrong.

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You don't think it's wrong to lie?

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Nah, I don't think it is especially wrong to lie.

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Then you are in a bad moral place.

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Well I'm sharing it with 99.99% of humankind

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You think nearly all humankind don't care about lying?

Of course, there are gradations of lie. Some are fairly harmless, like telling your wife her butt doesn't look fat in those jeans. Some are more harmful.

But it matters. So much of our relations with others is contractual that if we all took the attitude that lying didn't matter, our worlds would fall apart.

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so I don't really care - words are cheap when it comes to claiming moral superiority.

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I'm not claiming anything. I lie when I feel I have to, but I don't pretend to think it's morally unimportant.

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If anything I'm the one being honest here.

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Actually, I don't think so. I think you expect honesty from people around you. I think you count on it. We all do.

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But it matters. So much of our relations with others is contractual that if we all took the attitude that lying didn't matter, our worlds would fall apart.

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You can evaluate each lie on an individual basis without applying a general stricture against lying. For example, you can evaluate the morality of a lie based on how much harm you expect that lie to do - in this case, a lie that does no harm isn't immoral and these contractual relations are preserved.

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Actually, I don't think so. I think you expect honesty from people around you. I think you count on it. We all do.

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Ahoho. If this is really true, then have I got a bridge to sell you. I'm a naturally trusting person and I've been scammed out of so much money. Within a year of moving to New York I learned not to expect honesty - my time in Peru and Costa Rica further reinforced that.

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Well, Madnak pretty much said my opinion on this, so I'll just state that I agree with the above. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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short answer = wrong

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short answer = wrong

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What is the long answer?