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NE offense > INDY offense
It's close, Pats looked impressive against one of the best D's in the NFL, Colts looked impressive against a mediocre D, and it was close before. Eh.. Fine.
NE defense > Indy Defense
NE SPT > Indy
NE kicker < Indy
Nah. See: Kickoffs.
NE coach > Indy
Indy has home field < NE is pissed off at the universe
NE being pissed off at the universe isn't worth 3 points.

Advantage NE

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Lastchance,
I agree just saying it isn't
Welker>>>>>>>>>>> > Gonzalez
More like Welker >> Gonzalez

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Ok. I completely missed wtf you were saying.

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The Indians are going to win this game.

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Amazing, I just spit up a bit of coffee when I read this.

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lolz

Re: ***** Clash of the Titans, Week 9: NE @ Ind*****
 

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NE kicker < Indy
Nah. See: Kickoffs.


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Average Kickoff length/ Touchback % / average return against:
(not including todays games)

Vinatieri: 67.6 / 18% / 25.8
Gostkowski: 67.1 / 19% / 23.1

If you want to argue that Gostkowski is better than Vinatieri, using kickoffs isn't a very good way to go about it.

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I just thought this, I think it would be awesome if the game ended in a tie and both teams end up going undeafted for the season.

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Eh.. Point conceded.

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Average Kickoff length/ Touchback % / average return against:
(not including todays games)

Vinatieri: 67.6 / 18% / 25.8
Gostkowski: 67.1 / 19% / 23.1

If you want to argue that Gostkowski is better than Vinatieri, using kickoffs isn't a very good way to go about it.

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Vinatieri plays in a dome.

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Oh, right. Park effects. Point unconceded. Clearly, reliance on FO metrics is a good idea.

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Oh, right. Park effects. Point unconceded. Clearly, reliance on FO metrics is a good idea.

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I was going to post them (Pats are far superior) but then I realized they include kick coverage units. So we can't really use that. But considering how close they are in raw kickoff yardage, I would imagine that Gostkowski is better when you adjust for stadium.

I do know that Gostkowski was better last year, but I don't have the numbers this year. Maybe they're in the premium database somewhere but I don't have that.

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The Pats are just too good all the way around. IMO, they have no weaknesses. Brady and Moss are both on their way to record-breaking seasons, and Belicheck is a genius. They can't be stopped
That said, the Colts are obviously excellent and are very, very good offensively. Manning is one of the best quarterbacks ever. However, I think the difference in this game will be the Patriots defense. Both teams are excellent offensively, the Patriots being better, IMO. But I think it will come down to the fact that the Pats D will be better at stopping Indy than Indy's D will be at stopping NE.

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Average Kickoff length/ Touchback % / average return against:
(not including todays games)

Vinatieri: 67.6 / 18% / 25.8
Gostkowski: 67.1 / 19% / 23.1

If you want to argue that Gostkowski is better than Vinatieri, using kickoffs isn't a very good way to go about it.

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Vinatieri plays in a dome.

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NE hasn't played a bad weather game yet though. Also, I'd guess that footing is a bigger concern than wind when it comes to Kicking off outdoors (you're going to get the wind at your back sometimes), and the NE changing to the field turf is going seriously reduce the footing issues.

Anyway, my point isn't that Vinatieri is better at kicking off than Gostkowski. My point is that its a pretty negligible difference. Its only slightly more relevant than debating which QB is a better rusher.

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I just thought this, I think it would be awesome if the game ended in a tie and both teams end up going undeafted for the season.

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Even as a die hard Colts fan, I gotta admit that this would be so sick. I'm about to go look it up b/c I can't even remember when the last tie was in the NFL.

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I just thought this, I think it would be awesome if the game ended in a tie and both teams end up going undeafted for the season.

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Even as a die hard Colts fan, I gotta admit that this would be so sick. I'm about to go look it up b/c I can't even remember when the last tie was in the NFL.

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That would be sweet.. but that would mean both Indy and NE couldn't score in one quarter.

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I just thought this, I think it would be awesome if the game ended in a tie and both teams end up going undeafted for the season.

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Even as a die hard Colts fan, I gotta admit that this would be so sick. I'm about to go look it up b/c I can't even remember when the last tie was in the NFL.

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2001 falcons steelers i think....

Re: ***** Clash of the Titans, Week 9: NE @ Ind*****
 

off the top of my head, ATL/PIT like 5 years ago.

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might not be 2001....

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Close. 2002.

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Over/Under: 57.

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Seriously, when was the last time an O/U in the NFL this high?

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Over/Under: 57.

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Seriously, when was the last time an O/U in the NFL this high?

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I don't know but I'll bet the Colts were playing in that game too.

Re: ***** Clash of the Titans, Week 9: NE @ Ind*****
 

Or the rams.

Re: ***** Clash of the Titans, Week 9: NE @ Ind*****
 

I don't even know what to say. I do think that it has to be mentioned, when people talk about NE being more improved than Indy this year, they're right.

You can't really improve from Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Clark, and Addai without adding someone like Moss. The Pats offense realistically couldn't have gotten much worse. The Colts offense couldn't get THAT much better as they were pretty much the best until this season.

The D is playing well, and I really have no freaking idea what to expect next week. Jason Campbell is "meh" so I'm not surprised the Skins didn't keep it closer by keeping up with the offense, but I am surprised that their defense played like that. They were ranked 5th against the run and 8th against the pass coming into the game.

Speaking of defensive stats, the Colts are ranked first against the pass this year. 973 total yards allowed, 162.2 yards per game. The rushing D is still somewhat suspect, but capable of coming up big when it counts. The Colts are allowing 269.5 yards per game TOTAL. Obviously a big part of that is clock control on offense, but that's still going to be important.

The longer Peyton and company can keep Brady and Moss off the field, obviously the better. I don't think that, even if the Pats do win, it'll be as big a blowout as some think. Little known stat: Indy leads the league with the fewest penalty yards against with only 148. New England ranks 25th with 350. It may just come down to who can keep from making mistakes at the wrong time.

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I just thought this, I think it would be awesome if the game ended in a tie and both teams end up going undeafted for the season.

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Even as a die hard Colts fan, I gotta admit that this would be so sick. I'm about to go look it up b/c I can't even remember when the last tie was in the NFL.

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It happens about once every five years in the NFL, so we're due for one. But you're really only going to see this in a defensive game, considering that in order for a tie to happen, both teams have to go an entire quarter without scoring.

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Over/Under: 57.

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Seriously, when was the last time an O/U in the NFL this high?

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Not including this year it's happened 7 times since 1990, and all of those since 2000

2000-7 ATL/STL - 59 (O w/ 74)
2000-9 STL/SF - 63 (U w/ 58)
2000-10 CAR/STL - 60 (U w/ 51)
2000-14 STL/CAR - 58 (U w/ 19 lol)
2001-16 IND/STL - 59 (P w/ 59)
2004-9 MIN/IND - 58 (O w/ 59)
2004-15 OAK/KC - 60 (O w/ 61)

Re: ***** Clash of the Titans, Week 9: NE @ Ind*****
 

I think the only way indy wins is if manning plays lights out ball like he did vs the pats in last years AFC championship game.

Plus Brady will need to throw a pick. Both these things need to happen. If both teams show up then Indy can't win.

Remember a horrible Pats team was one third down dropped ball conversion away from a win last year, in Indy.

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i agree that this will be one of the best games to watch this year, simply because as a pats fun it will be fun watching a "decently close game." by that i mean, the pats will only win by 2-3 touchdowns.

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the Pats are the second biggest favorite this week, only behind Pittsburgh.

WAS is -3.5 @ NYJ, a similar point spread. The Jets are one of the worst teams in the league while Washington is probably average. Are the Pats so much better than everyone else that the difference between the Pats and the 2nd best team is 1 point greater than an average team and one of the worst?

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i agree that this will be one of the best games to watch this year, simply because as a pats fun it will be fun watching a "decently close game." by that i mean, the pats will only win by 2-3 touchdowns.

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plenty of people will bet with you cocky NE fans at Indy+14

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Also, I'm a broke college student but if you want to do it for $100 I'm willing (Pats winning by > 2 TD's). Private message me.

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lol

You are a silly, silly person

Re: ***** Clash of the Titans, Week 9: NE @ Ind*****
 

This is the most excited I have been about a regular season game in my life.
The Pats-Colts rivalry will be classic (like 49ers-Cowboys in the 90s or Steelers-Cowboys in the 70s).
I think HFA will be the key here. Patriots would win in NE, but Colts would win in Indy.

I agree with whoever said that "Patriots pissed at the universe" won't make a difference. I don't really understand why they are "pissed at the universe", it seems strange to act as if an injustice had been committed to them, when they cheated. The penalty imposed on them was definitely not even harsh enough.

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I think the only way indy wins is if manning plays lights out ball like he did vs the pats in last years AFC championship game.



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Peyton Manning wasn't lights out vs the Pats in the AFC championship game.

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I think the only way indy wins is if manning plays lights out ball like he did vs the pats in last years AFC championship game.



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Peyton Manning wasn't lights out vs the Pats in the AFC championship game.

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Some good examples of lights out Peyton would be payoff games against Denver.

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Welker didn't find some fountain of youth.

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wait, what? The Welker I'm thinking off is 26 yrs old, and in his 3rd season and had 67 receptions last year. Stokely had a career high of 24 receptions in 5 years before his big year in Indy. Not exactly a comparison I would make.

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Colts should sabotage the patriots communication system from the booth.

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This thread is so +EV for the entire sports forum.

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The Colts are allowing 269.5 yards per game TOTAL. Obviously a big part of that is clock control on offense, but that's still going to be important.

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It's not just clock control by the Colts, it's the pace of the other teams. Teams try to slow the game down as much as possible against the Colts. The fewer drives there are in the game, the more variance plays a factor and the better chance you have to beat them.

The Colts have just 58 drives against them this year, the third lowest total in the league (Jax and Denver tied with 56). Fewer drives = fewer raw yards. And since teams run the ball a lot against the Colts, it's no surprise they're allowing so few passing yards.

That's not to say that their defense is bad or overrated, it's still quite good, ranked 3rd against the pass in DVOA, 13th against the run and 6th overall. I'm just pointing out that raw yardage stats are misleading.

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The longer Peyton and company can keep Brady and Moss off the field, obviously the better.

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LOL the anti-Colts strategy being employed by the Colts.

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Over/Under: 57.

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Seriously, when was the last time an O/U in the NFL this high?

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Not including this year it's happened 7 times since 1990, and all of those since 2000

2000-7 ATL/STL - 59 (O w/ 74)
2000-9 STL/SF - 63 (U w/ 58)
2000-10 CAR/STL - 60 (U w/ 51)
2000-14 STL/CAR - 58 (U w/ 19 lol)
2001-16 IND/STL - 59 (P w/ 59)
2004-9 MIN/IND - 58 (O w/ 59)
2004-15 OAK/KC - 60 (O w/ 61)

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wow the linesmakers did a sick sick job on those last 3.

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Jason Campbell is "meh" so I'm not surprised the Skins didn't keep it closer by keeping up with the offense, but I am surprised that their defense played like that. They were ranked 5th against the run and 8th against the pass coming into the game.


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The Patriots performance against the Skins doesn't really say much IMO. The Skins offense is not good and facing a strong NE defense they were playing D all game.

The Skins D is being severely overrated. They hadn't played even a good offense yet this season.

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they are 4 point favorites ON THE ROAD which means like 7 or so on nuetral field. granted thats only a bettering line, but the betting line is a REAL GOOD indicator of overall teams strenghts.


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Puh-lease. The betting line is a real good indicator of public perception. It's designed to get maximal profit.

NE fan base >>>>>>>> Indy fan base
NE hype >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>> Indy hype

These things skew the line pretty heavily.

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they are 4 point favorites ON THE ROAD which means like 7 or so on nuetral field. granted thats only a bettering line, but the betting line is a REAL GOOD indicator of overall teams strenghts.


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Puh-lease. The betting line is a real good indicator of public perception. It's designed to get maximal profit.

NE fan base >>>>>>>> Indy fan base
NE hype >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>> Indy hype

These things skew the line pretty heavily.

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posts like this really highlight how dumb some people are

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they are 4 point favorites ON THE ROAD which means like 7 or so on nuetral field. granted thats only a bettering line, but the betting line is a REAL GOOD indicator of overall teams strenghts.


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Puh-lease. The betting line is a real good indicator of public perception. It's designed to get maximal profit.

NE fan base >>>>>>>> Indy fan base
NE hype >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>> Indy hype

These things skew the line pretty heavily.

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LOL

the betting line (more specifically the closing line) is the best WIDELY AVAILABLE indicator of current team strength (accounting for location and injuries obv). PERIOD.

is it perfect? obviously not. is it better than anything else available within a google search? yes and its not close.