Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

maybe gary could just do a:

-gg

instead??

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
No one from Absolute is in Canada, so they won't be turned over to authorities.

[/ QUOTE ]

Did they close their Vancouver office? They had several higher ups in BC.

[/ QUOTE ]

Let me clarify, no one of importance to this scandal is in Canada. The people who have been fingered - Tom and Green, are in hiding somewhere in a third world country where they don't need to fear extradition.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
maybe gary could just do a:

-gg

instead??

[/ QUOTE ]
That actually might help keep me off tilt when I see his posts.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

can't we just ban him for quoting the entire op as the third reply

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I liked that ABC article, especially this part:

The Quebec provincial police told ABC News they were looking into the matter but could not comment on a pending investigation.

Frank Catania, a former gaming commissioner in New Jersey who helped the Kahnawake Gaming establish its regulations, said under commission rules AbsolutePoker could lose its license and individuals could be turned over to Canadian authorities.

"If anything was done illegally or dishonestly, the company could have their license revoked, the money could be refunded or legal ramifications could happen," he said.

somebody needs to write a detailed letter to Frank Catania.

[/ QUOTE ]

The Quebec police have little or no jurisdiction on the reserve so that won't go anywhere.

No one from Absolute is in Canada, so they won't be turned over to authorities.

Absolute does not need a license to operate.

Since online gambling is a "gray area" under international laws, not likely to be legal ramifications....

[/ QUOTE ]







And the authority for your jurisdictional conclusions is what?

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

they cover it up then play the victim card....ah businesses are the best

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
has anybody emailed the KGC yet and discussed possible penalties for AP's involvement in trying to cover up for the consultant .. ...

[/ QUOTE ]

But doesn't the KGC own AP?

[/ QUOTE ]

No. But former Chief Joe Norton does. And I assume that those at the KGC at a minimum like Mr Norton. But they have put Gaming Associates on the job. I doubt Gaming Associates knows Mr Norton, since they are in Australia. Go to their website - gamingassociates.com. They seem to have an almost absurd amount of expertise in this area of investigating the honesty of gambling establishments. If they can't get to the bottom of this matter, then I doubt anyone on earth can.

[/ QUOTE ]

So the former chief of the tribe the KGC belongs to independently bought out AP recently? I guess the chief to that tribe gets paid rather well. Wasn't AP worth several hundred million?

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
Pls to be locking the old thread. Someone can post cliffnote below if they want.
------------
October 24, 2007
(...)


[/ QUOTE ]

This sounds good.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
'how did people who kept it quiet for 3 years suddenly turn into psychotic monkeys overnight'

[/ QUOTE ]

http://xs120.xs.to/xs120/07434/avatar.JPG

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
they cover it up then play the victim card....ah businesses are the best

[/ QUOTE ]

It's a well known fact that the servers are located on the reserve is because the Aboriginals claim the reserves to be sovereign lands, the provincial police avoid confrontations with them on a regular basis.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
Gary,

PLEASE stop signing your posts "gg". Every time I see that I think "good game" and I think of the [censored] in chat who say that whenever they think they're smarter and better than others. It's making me hate you for no good reason (unless you actually are constantly saying "good game").

Can you modify it to like "gtg" or something?

-Nat

[/ QUOTE ]

GG

Re: New AP Statement
 

I just assumed this was the case, but it seems that some people do not understand it.

There's some rule that the tribe must own the companies operating the gaming operations. Thus, they own the brand.

Meanwhile, the people who own the real assets of AP - the systems, the employees, the databases, the IP, etc - are someone else.


Please stop claiming that the tribe chief owns AP. He does not own AP in the meaningful sense that any casual reader would take that claim to mean.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
“Recently, AP was the victim of a breach of security in which a high-ranking consultant to the site devised a sophisticated scheme to manipulate internal systems and access third-party computers and accounts to view the hole cards of other customers during play and without their knowledge, resulting in unfair play.

[/ QUOTE ]

high ranking consultant? Isn't this more evidence of dishonesty? We all agree Scott was more than a high ranking consultant right?

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

NEW AND IMPROVED!
Please let me know with a pm if you have any additions or corrections.
THE PLAYERS

ABSOLUTE POKER
More details on the ownership structure of the Absolute Companies at the bottom of this post.

AbsolutePoker.com is headquartered in Costa Rica and licensed and regulated in Canada. Absolute Poker purchased Ultimate Bet in Oct, 2006. $10 million in cash and about $140 million in 5 future annual payments. Absolute Poker controls four sites: SITES: (4) Absolute Poker, Big Chip Poker, Goal Poker, VegasPoker247

The real company that Scott Tom and AJ Green ran is Absolute Entertainment, and that's where deposits go.

KAHNAWAKE GAMING COMMISSION KCG WEBSITE
P.O. Box 1799
Old Malone Highway
Kahnawake Mohawk Territory, QC J0L 1B0
CANADA

Established June 10, 1996 and presently comprised of three members appointed by the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake: David Montour (Chairperson), Melanie Mayo, and Kevin Kennedy. The Commission is empowered to regulate and control gaming and gaming related activities conducted within and from the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake in accordance with the highest principles of honesty and integrity.

The KGC is currently investigating Absolute Poker. Joseph Tokwiro Norton is a leader. Mr. Norton is presently a special consultant for The Federal Bridge Corporation Limited, a founder and CEO of Turtle Technologies and CEO of Mohawk Internet Technologies.

One of the Kahnawake's previous licencee's "BetWSC.com" was found to have ties to the Italian mob and was shut down by the KGC after the Canadian Police finished their investigation. Another major revenue source for the organization (the italian mob), according to the affidavits, was an online sports bookmaking outlet, with computers servers first based in Belize then in the Mohawk community of Kahnawake, south of Montreal. BetWSC and the Mob

The Mohawks do not have a great relationship with the Canadian Government and got into a violent conflict over land in the early 1990's. The "Oka Crisis" lasted seventy-eight days and resulted in three deaths. Oka Crisis

The Six Nations regulatory body and the Haldimand Mohocks group have been identified as licensing agencies for online gambling sites. On one Absolute Poker web page, the logo formerly indicating Six Nations Internet Gaming Regulatory Body as the licensing agency has been replaced with the logo of the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. The Kahnawake commission, located on the Kahnawake reserve south of Montreal, is considered one of the world's largest hosts of online gaming sites. The Six nations operation appears to have been some precusor to the KGC. Six Nations

-----------------------------------------
THE FRATERNITY - SAE - MONTANA Many of the founders/employees of Absoulte Poker can be linked to this Montana Fraternity.

SCOTT PHILIP TOM
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3742/culbg2.jpg
AP was started by Scott Tom and a few Ivy league friends back in 2003. Phil Tom and the other fathers of these kids bankrolled the venture, and Absolute Poker was born. Phil Tom is Scott Tom's FATHER, not his brother. The IP address that this 'other' account was logged in from was traced to the home cable modem of Scott Tom, CEO of Absolute poker. scott@rivieraltd.com is apparently the CEO, and is also the owner of account POTRIPPER. Scott Tom is also apparently the owner of the STEAMROLLER account.

[ QUOTE ]
Scott Tom may also go by the name of Scott Beckley as he was primarily raised by his mother from ages 2-15 in Montana while his father lived in Washington. He lived breifly with his father for one year where his father allegedly failed to pay for a medical expense, at which point he returned to live with his mother in Montana.

Cause No. 79964, Fourth Judicial District Court of Montana, Missoula County 1996.

[/ QUOTE ]
On September 3rd, 2007 a small jet plane's right main gear tire was punctured and the pilots lost control on the takeoff roll, veered off the side of the runway, and did a 180 degree spin in the grass. The aircraft was substantially damaged. Scott Tom’s pregnant wife/ girlfriend was taken to the hospital and then released. On the aircraft were In addition to Gilda Patricia Cortés as passengers were Sarah Bussey Bennett, Oscar Hilt Tatum and Phillip Scott Tom.

The plane's destination was Colombia and the rumored cargo on the plane was $2-3M in cash. Officials at Absolute Poker confirmed to Point-Spreads.com that Tomm was on the jet, however, deny any money was onboard.

If you guys remember, there were two people watching Potripper's table. One is #363; the other is assumed to be Potripper. That second account's email address is scott@rivieraltd.com. The IP address cross-references to someone named Scott Tom, who also appears to be an owner at AP. It should also be noted that the first part of the rivieraltd.com email is "scott@".

Scott Tom has been spamming poker forums as recently as June 2007 on behalf of Absolute Poker. Scott Tom has account at Ultimate Bet under the name of 'PotChopper'

[ QUOTE ]
From brsavage, a highly respected member of the poker community: "Scott Tom is not an ex employee of Absolute. He was at the sale from Excapsa to the AP ownership group, and we have him tied to AP in recent history and I have confirmed from parties within that he is in fact STILL in control of AP. He may be in seclusion in Panama, but his attorneys are acting at his behest in trying to maintain contol of AP."

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Absolute's statement: "With respect to the claims that Scott Tom, a former Member of Team Absolute Poker, is in anyway involved in wrong-doing, Absolute Poker has requested a formal investigation into that matter as well. Mr. Tom has not been involved with Absolute Poker for over a year and to the best of our knowledge, information and belief has not had access to any of Absolute Poker’s systems, databases or information."

[/ QUOTE ]
---------------------------------
AJ GREEN
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9519/ajgreenks5.jpg
http://www.point-spreads.com/images/...-jenny-woo.jpg

Previously know as Allan Grimard he recently changed his name to AJ GREEN. AJ GREEN is the VP of operations at nine.com. Nine.com shares the same office building as Absolute Poker in Costa Rica. While at Nine.com, AJ had a portrait done of himself that hung on his wall over his desk. The photo was a picture of him "American Beauty' style laying spread out on his futon covered in hundred dollar bills. While living in Costa Rica, AJ bought a house in Escazu outright with cash.

The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com and the former director of operations at Absolute. AJ Green was formerly known as Allan Grimard and had a name change once moving to Costa Rica. AJ Green is also POTSLAMMER, he of the 3 posts shilling for AP in his only thread. As we already know, The Watchdog, who comes in to defend him and co-shill for AP in that thread, is probably Scott Tom. AJ Green/Potripper on AP [almost certainly] = FATRAISER on Stars.

"We wanted to provide a safe environment for our other popular sites," said AJ Green, VP of operations at Nine.com. "iovation has a proven record of decreasing fraud and stopping crime rings from forming and coming back resulting in a much more secure environment for ourselves and our clients"

BRENT BECKLEY
Director of Payments and Risk Management at Absolute Poker and alumnus from SAE frat in Montana from 1999. President of Sigma Alpha Epsilon's UM chapter. That player is Brent Beckley, another major player at AP. Brent Beckley worked for AP when a poster propped there. He was a part of support and security. Brent Beckley's last known city of residence is Miami, which is the location of one of the cheater accounts. He was a frat brother of Scott Tom in Montana. Brent plays as RUNNINONMT on UB. His email is brent@rivieraltd.com. Steamroller, a cheating account, is known to have played from Miami. Absolute Poker's recent press releases come out of Miami.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9172/brent2wz8.jpg
"While fraudsters continue to evolve and devise new ways to exploit our competitors, it is our belief that by continuously improving our 'fraud tool kit' that we can provide the safest place to play poker online," said Brent Beckley, director of client services at Absolute Poker.

OSCAR HILT
Oscar Hilt = another one of Scott Tom's frat brothers, and was also employed by Absolute, as the CFO. CFO Oscar Hilt Tatum IV, although it seems that he sometimes goes by a combination of just 2 of those names such as Hilt Tatum IV or Oscar Hilt. - There have also been references to Scott Tom now living and/or operating/pulling strings out of Panama. Oscar may be there too, evidenced by this page which appears to be a list of individuals granted residency status by the government of Panama, and has a listing for two Americans named "Oscar Hilt Tatum IV" and "Oscar Hilt Tatum III" for April 9th, 2007. (Note that their records don't have any listing for Scott Tom, at least not since Sept 2005 when the database begins.)
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9759/oscar2di6.jpg
Absolute managment made quite a scene when photos from Hilt's wedding were discovered and posted on the 2+2 message boards. These picture revealed many of the top players involved in Absolute Poker management and possibly ownership.

[ QUOTE ]
Absolute's Statement:"HILT TATUM IS COMPLETLEY UNCONECTED WITH THIS CASE - HE HAS NEVER BEEN THE CFO - HIS WIFE AND FAMILY ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS INVESTIGATION - THE COMPANY IS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING - I URGE YOU TO CONTACT THE MODS AND HAVE ALL PICTURES REMOVED - PLEASE TRY AND HELP THIS BEYOND THE CALL - AND THEY ARE AS INNOCENT AS ANYONE. "

[/ QUOTE ]

WILLIAM WILLIS MCMANON - Frat allum from 1995
The speculation is that William McManon might be the user of the account "MCBill." MCBILL won a $100,000 dream package on absolute after little tournament play on the website. There are active McBill accounts at Full Tilt and PokerStars.

SHANE ALAN BLACKFORD - 1997 SAE Montana Allum.
Shane is the administrative contact for Innovative Data Solutions - a Costa Rican Company somehow related to Absoulte Poker. Shane was also a member of the SAE fraternity.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6...ane2tc9.th.jpg
MARK SEIF
Mark seif has huge endorsement deal dating back from when Scott Tom is CEO of AP. Mark Seif has been seen in public with Scott Tom many times. Mark Seif is rumored to have a minor ownership interest in Absolute.
SEIF's QUESTIONABLE SESSION

--------------------------
OTHER ABSOLUTE EMPLOYEES
These Employees are most likely not involved. However, so little is know about Absolute's operations anyone who is in anyway realted should be mentioned.

CURTIS OLSON - is listed as a consultant who is also the VP of Technology at Absolute Poker.
DAVID CLAINER - Senior VP at Absolute Poker
FRED ROMAN - Affiliate Relations Manager for Absolute Poker (apparently has not worked at Absolute for over 1 yr.)
MARK KANDLER - Absolute Poker VIP Supervisor.
RUSS - Owner of Absolute
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6697/russ2uv9.jpg
GARIN DAVIS GUSTAFSON - Owner of Absolute - 1997 SAE Alum.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9...rin2tk4.th.jpg
-----------------------------------
THE ACCOUNTS

Most of these account have recently won large buy-in tournaments on Absolute Poker. Many have similar questionable play. Most have played very few tornaments on Absolute before winning a large buy-in event.

USER 363 - Unknown - observed Table of Potripper in 1K win
1. This guy "enters" table 13 at 2007-09-12 21:02:14, which is 2 minutes and 14 seconds after the tourney started.
2. Table 13 is the table which POTRIPPER was playing on
3. He never leaves the table, which means he was observing the table until at least 11:20 PM EST (at least, that's how I understand this)
4. His IP address is based in Costa Rica.
5. This is the most damning. He is user id 363 at AP. That means he was created in the system very very early on. Most of these user ids are in the 6 or 7 figures.

The guy who was on the same IP as the user 363 had his email set to an email that is hosted by Kahnawake Gaming Commission.

[ QUOTE ]
Absolute's statement:"The results of that investigation indicated that to the best of Absolute Poker’s knowledge, information and belief there was no security breach. Specifically, Absolute Poker’s internal investigation determined that it is impossible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards."

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Absolute's 2nd Statement:"Absolute Poker has identified an internal security breach that compromised our systems for a limited period of time."

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Absolute's 3rd Statement:"Recently, AP was the victim of a breach of security in which a high-ranking consultant to the site devised a sophisticated scheme to manipulate internal systems and access third-party computers and accounts to view the hole cards of other customers during play and without their knowledge, resulting in unfair play. "

[/ QUOTE ]
GRAYCAT - Crushed High stakes limit games on Absolute. Chip dumped large amounts to SUPERCARDM55. GREYCAT won more that $100,000 in high stakes limit games on Absoulte. Might have never had a losing session.

DOUBLEDRAG -DOUBLEDRAG won huge amounts of money in high stakes no-limit games on Absoulte playing nearly every hand. DOUBLEDRAG chip dumped $200k and $300k to Romnaldo (or REYMNALDO) -THESE ARE 3 CONSECUTIVE HANDS where DOUBLEDRAG and ROMNALDO capped every street playing $200/$400 heads-up, only to have DOUBLEDRAG fold for one bet on the river. HERE
After cheating story became public DOUBLEDRAG dumped 27k on the tables.

STEAMROLLER
STEAMROLLER won the $150 buy-in on 8/19/2007 for $20,700. STEAMROLLER also won the $100 buy-in on 8/19/2007 for $1636. Absolute Poker admitted this account belongs to the Absolute Poker staff. Steamroller is linked to Scott Tom. STEAMROLLER was from Miami. Verified by report with Tom on July 27th under the STEAMROLLER account and email confirming from Absolute. Two different people have reported to Dan Druff that STEAMROLLER had flashed between $200k and $500k on the table in the past, bragging that he had "wired it in".


OSCAR133 - There was an "Oscar Hilt" at SAE in 1999.
2 tournaments, 1 9 entrants, 1 296, won both, total winnings 38k. OSCAR133 won the $500 buy-in on 10/6/2007 for $37,500.

POTRIPPER - won $1K tournament on 9/12/2007 for $30,000. User #2234890 is POTRIPPER in the AP user database. POTRIPPER folded his first couple hands before the 363 observer entered the table... and that's when he started the suspicious activities. .xls file mistakenly sent out by Absoulte support.
YOU TUBE OF WIN

PAYUP - Won $1K on 8/23/2007 for $35,700. Sheets a well known internet pro commented: "but it was on august22, before the potripper tourney, where I got 2nd to one of the cheating accounts, Payup, in the 1k mtt.

[ QUOTE ]
Comments about this tournament from respected player Sheets: "I laughed about Payups invincibility throughout the course of the tourney with inissint while on the phone but didnt think anything of it really until 2+2 started looking into the potripper tourney which i THINK occured later. I sent adanthar my hh for the payup tourney and he essentilly confirmed that the same shenanigans were involved and the payup account was also closed by AP. - sheets "

[/ QUOTE ]
MCBILL
There is speculation that this account is linked to another SAE Montana Fraternity brother - WILLIAM WILLIS MCMANON. On 10/7/2007 won $200 buy-in event for $100,000. Montana resident and online poker player "MCBill" probably feels like he's struck gold this week after winning access to a possible over $100 million in online poker tournament prize pool money. Absolute Poker revealed that the online poker player hailing from Helena, Montana has won the 5th Absolute Dream Package on October 7th.

2 other accounts
There are apparently 2 other accounts that have won $150 tournaments on Absolute that are not mentioned here.
-----------------------------
ABSOLUTE OWNERSHIP
I found some information of the companies that run absolute HERE Pretty Interesting read.

Key points about Absolutes Ownership: Apparently, at least 4 companies have 100% ownership in Absolute Poker.

1. Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG
From Absolutes website:
[ QUOTE ]

“Absolute Poker and this website is solely owned and operated by Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, Route 138, Kahnawake, Quebec J0L 1B0. Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG is owned by a Mohawk of Kahnawake, and is operated from the sovereign nation of the Mohawks of Kahnawake, located near Montreal Quebec.

[/ QUOTE ]
The Ultimate Bet web site shows the same (or similar) statement.

2. Blast Off Limited
BLAST OFF LIMITED
VINCENTI BUILDINGS SUITE 392
14/19, STRAIT STREET, VALLETTA.
Corporation number C 37734.

From Poker Scout:
[ QUOTE ]
Poker Scout provides the following about Absolute Poker:
Owner: Blast Off Limited (private company) Headquarters: Malta Server Location: Kahnawake, Canada


[/ QUOTE ]
The Malta Registry of Companies is HERE but I cannot find Blast Off, Ltd.
Blast Off Ltd, is a privately owned Maltese company. The headquarters are in Malta and servers are located in Kahnawake, Canada. Blast Off Ltd, purchased Excapsa Software (Ultimate Bet) in Oct., 2006, in a five-year planned transaction totaling $130 million.
Blast Off Ltd Controls ten SITES: (10) Bet21.com, Benefitpoker, Cardplayer, DevilfishPoker.com, DV8 Poker, Green Tie Poker, Magic Palace Poker , UltimateBet*, UltimatePoker* , UpperClassPoker Network and Sites Networks and Sites

Ultimate Bet is also run by a Malta based Corporation: (amazingly right next door to absolute)
Game Theory Limited
Vincenti Buildings Suite 296
Valletta, Valletta VLT08
Malta

3. Absolute Entertainment, SA

[ QUOTE ]
I also came across another name: ”Absolute Poker is a downloadable poker room and casino using Proprietary Software licensed in Kahnawake. It is one of 2 online gaming sites owned by Absolute Entertainment, SA.”


[/ QUOTE ]
Absolute Entertainment S A
PO Box 346, Corozal Town, Belize
C/O Wendy Y Oxley, Belize City
Country: Belize
Industry: Offices of Holding Companies, NEC
Line of business: Holding Companies, Nec, Nsk
Dunn & Bradstree Internations Business Information Report

Previous Mailing Adress:
Absolute Entertainment
SBO #306, PO Box 025292
Miami, FL 33102-5292

Previous Poker Room Manager - Mr. Gian Perroni


4. Innovative Data Solutions
We also know about Innovative Data Solutions - a Costa Rican Company somehow related to Absoulte Poker. This is the name displayed at the front of the gambling911 photos of Absolute's Offices and was confirmed by Michael Davis.

INNOVATIVE DATA SOLUTIONS:
IDS Technical Consulting
Oficentro de Sebana
San Jose, Costa Rica
Telephone - 011-506-520-0525
Email - info@idsworld.net

Innovative Data Solutions
SBO 306, 7333 NW 54th Street
Miami, Florida 33166
United States
6786312244

5. Mohawk Internet Technologies - MIT
MIT's powerful computer servers have made the Kahnawake reserve one of the world's most popular jurisdictions for hosting online gambling sites. Profitability is enhanced by the tax-free status of the reserve.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
While I understand what you're trying to say, I don't think this is a great way of thinking. If AP is dead to you, I don't understand why you care anyway.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you're going to tell people that there's cheating online shouldn't you make ABSOLUTE POKER prove who, when, where and how. Otherwise a lot of people will start blaming all their losses on being cheated at every site and also stop enjoying playing just for fun. Being cheated is not fun. People are not smart though nor are the players you want at the tables reading forums all day. It's no surprise at all they aren't losing players yet. When the average player, or poor player, does catch on they won't say, absolute poker is cheating, it'll be online poker in general.

If people want to make everything public, fine, good. But them someone or some group has to go to jail. Otherwise it's basically saying it's no big deal and it makes everything look corrupt. This BS that it's some consultant is also ridiculous. Just because some guy in support is stupid, ignorant of poker, or lazy doesn't mean there isn't some people in security with a brain and know at least a little bit about poker. If everyone here could see the cheating, obviously they knew long before they admitted it. They could go through the hand histories and they can see WHO the users are people are accusing of cheating. You're out of your mind if someone is accused of cheating and it's coincidental that security looks up that account and sees they work for the site. That's enough of a coincidence right there to know what's going on.

Once you reach that conclusion it isn't hard to see that they very likely aren't being honest now. It almost certainly isn't one rogue consultant (a purely ridiculous idea with all the evidence against Tam especially). Possibly this AJ is so arrogant and drugged out he made it completely obvious he was cheating as where others had been more careful in the past. Maybe or maybe not but it is now up to Absolute to prove who has cheated and bring them to the authorities for justice. Anything less is bs and I haven't heard anything about punishing anyone involved except them being fired.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Just the fact that anyone would consider playing there again tilts me hard. WTF is wrong with these people. Having "softer games now" is a piss poor excuse to ever put a penny in these theifs pockets again. C'mon people, have a little respect for yourself and others.

[/ QUOTE ]

well said; the "softer players" can and will move elsewhere if AP is held accountable (like a dead cat)

[/ QUOTE ]

Haha. I suck at poker. But guess what? I will not be sucking at poker at Absolute anymore.

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

Pokerstud, where did u get confirmation of who those new pictures are?

Re: New AP Statement
 

This is a very clever statement. If I may:


Absolute Poker (AP) today issued the following statement concerning the recent security breach in its system:

“Recently, AP was the victim (cute)of a breach of security in which a high-ranking consultant (still singular) to the site devised a sophisticated scheme to manipulate internal systems and access third-party computers and accounts to view the hole cards of other customers during play and without their knowledge, resulting in unfair play. BINGO, GUYS. What is the statute against the gaming offence of 'unfair playing at online poker' in Costa Rica? Is it similar to the statute against the criminal offence of fraud? There is no admission of a criminal act here. This is why...

“Upon learning of the incident, AP immediately contacted Gaming Associates, an independent worldwide expert in audits, interactive gaming tests and information security, to undertake an internal investigation. Immediately thereafter, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC), AP’s governing licensing authority, opened its own inquiry into the scheme. These investigations are active and on-going. AP is cooperating fully with the KGC investigation.

No mention of them having contacted the police, in any country. Think about that.

“The Company’s internal investigation is ongoing, and its preliminary findings are subject to the final audit findings. Thus far, the Company’s preliminary findings are as follows:

1. The perpetrator of the scheme was immediately terminated upon discovery and the case was turned over to the KGC again, but no mention of a criminal investigation!
2. AP has fully corrected the problem that allowed its system to be unfairly manipulated and is working to enhance its existing safeguards.
3. Since the initiation of the internal investigation, the databases have been locked down to ensure the integrity of the auditors’ inquiry.
4. The scope of the audit will not be limited to a certain time period.
5. The suspected period of time of the security breach has been identified. This period is recent and confined to a relatively brief period. The actual dates will be publicly released upon confirmation by the third party auditor.
6. A thorough review of the game play has begun to identify all of the adversely affected players.
7. AP is committed to refunding 100% of the losses incurred by its affected customers. AP has begun the process of reimbursing its customers, and will continue to do so as quickly as possible until all customers are refunded in full.
8. Even after completion of this audit, AP intends to continue working with third party auditors and security firms to ensure that the highest level of game integrity is upheld.
9. AP is instituting strict guidelines to restrict its employees, consultants and contractors and members of their households from playing for money on its sites.

“These preliminary findings remain subject to its final audit. AP expects its internal inquiry to last for at least several weeks, and it will continue to cooperate with the KGC’s investigation and to work with Gaming Associates until these outstanding investigations and inquiries are complete. AP will continue to issue interim statements related to its internal investigation as appropriate.”

At no point does Absolute Poker mention they have reported the anonymous 'consultant' - or any part of this matter - to any law enforcement agency in any country.

And it's strike two for Popcorngate and Mark Seif's HH, btw.

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
No mention of them having contacted the police, in any country. Think about that.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think AJ Green blackmailing AP is a secret by now so I'm just gonna come out and say it: AJ Green blackmailed AP. duh.

Re: New AP Statement
 

Touche!

I was just making the point that if they admit to criminality, they HAVE to involve the police.

Plenty of people (okay, not you) think they have, but they haven't.

Re: New AP Statement
 

JUST A GUESS (didn't have time to dig this)

- Regarding "GARIN DAVIS GUSTAFSON - Owner of Absolute - 1997 SAE Alum. " = the name really sounds Swedish.
- The German bank account of Absolute is in the same branch (same city) of the same bank at the same adress that a Swedish company involved in online poker (involved : has rooms running under different names + provides the software). This company is 24H P (listed on the Stockholm stock exchange).
Check my previous posts because I mentionned this Swedish company some days ago.

Any connection ? Maybe this would allow to go up one step as to who owns absolute. (sorry if this has been talked about already, I didn't browse the last 60 pages of posts).

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
maybe gary could just do a:

-gg

instead??

[/ QUOTE ]
That actually might help keep me off tilt when I see his posts.

[/ QUOTE ]

My signature tilts you?

GG

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

About the Swedish (possible ?) connection,
here are my two previous posts :

Quote:
To wire Money into Absolute or UB it goes to:

Bank: Wirecard Bank AG
Account Name: Absolute Entertainment S.A.
Address: Bretonischer Ring 4
85630 Grasbrunn



For eviltable.com :
Transfers in EURO
Bank: Wirecard Bank AG
Account holder: 24hPAY Ltd
Account number: 6716
Sort Code/Routing Number: 512 308 00
Bank details: Wirecard Bank AG
Bretonischer Ring 4 | 85630 Grasbrunn,
GERMANY
SWIFT WIREDEM1XXX
IBAN: DE17 512 308 00 000 000 6716


bestonepoker.com :
Transfers in EURO
Bank: Wirecard Bank AG
Account holder: 24hPAY Ltd
Account number: 6716
Sort Code/Routing Number: 512 308 00
Bank details: Wirecard Bank AG
Bretonischer Ring 4 | 85630 Grasbrunn,
GERMANY
SWIFT WIREDEM1XXX
IBAN: DE17 512 308 00 000 000 6716

Same for carbonpoker, vegas247. Probably others to be found



Wirecard Bank AG is a bank headquartered in Germany. It is regulated by the German Financial Supervisory Authority (BaFin).


******


If there's a link between 24hpay ltd and absolute entertainment (no idea ? possibly), then 24hpay is listed on the Stockholm Stock Exchange under "24h"

24hPoker is operated by 24hPAY Ltd, Malta. The company provides different gaming services in cooperation with leading software providers to bring our players the best possible gaming experience.

24hPAY Ltd operating Sportsbetting, is regulated and licensed by Lotteries and Gaming Authority in Malta (www.lga.org.mt/lga/home.asp), License no LG/CL2/236/2005 issued 9th March 2006. Poker operates in cooperation with with B2B Poker(www.b2bpoker.com) and Casino in cooperation with Net Entertainment (www.netent.com).

SECURITY

The Random Number Generators (RNG) used in the businesses are tested by 3rd parties. The group that 24hPAY Ltd is part of is listed on the Stockholm Stock Exchange (under "24H") and has chosen PricewaterhouseCoopers as auditors.

SUPPORT

For 24/7 email-support about our gaming services please contact support@24hpoker.com.

CONTACT

24hPAY Ltd
Tigne Place
Block 12, Office 2/3
Tigne Street, Sliema
SLM 11 Malta

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
can't we just ban him for quoting the entire op as the third reply

[/ QUOTE ]

If you do ban me, will I still have the capacity to lurk/listen/learn? Oh, and c/p? and pm's?

DS and AP have made me absolutely permanently paranoid.

tia


Edit
GG

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
No mention of them having contacted the police, in any country. Think about that.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think AJ Green blackmailing AP is a secret by now so I'm just gonna come out and say it: AJ Green blackmailed AP. duh.

[/ QUOTE ]

if the secret has come out, then why aren't they going after him now? If true, wouldn't that be the fastest way for them to regain their credibility?

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
I just assumed this was the case, but it seems that some people do not understand it.

There's some rule that the tribe must own the companies operating the gaming operations. Thus, they own the brand.

Meanwhile, the people who own the real assets of AP - the systems, the employees, the databases, the IP, etc - are someone else.


Please stop claiming that the tribe chief owns AP. He does not own AP in the meaningful sense that any casual reader would take that claim to mean.

[/ QUOTE ]

So the letter that Chief Joe Norton wrote to the public about how they caught the high level consultant and were going to clean up the mess was a letter from someone not in a high position at AP? He wrote the letter to the public saying he was going to correct matters, but in essence he isn't in any position to do the things he claimed?

Sorry if this is redundant, I just assumed he had some pull from that letter. But you are actually saying he is only the owner on paper, but doesn't control the assets involved, and probably doesn't have any power to correct matters?

So if the owner of AP can't change things, who actually is in power there that has committed to changing things, the things Chief Norton mentioned in his first letter to the public?

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
The Mohawks do not have a great relationship with the Canadian Government and got into a violent conflict over land in the early 1990's. The "Oka Crisis" lasted seventy-eight days and resulted in three deaths. Oka Crisis


[/ QUOTE ]

The above quoted link didn't work for me. I used this one:
Oka_Crisis

GG

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
So do the Mohawks who own AP have anybody in Costa Rica actually overseeing the company? Or is AP totally run by consultants?

[/ QUOTE ]

The Mohawks don't own anything. They put their names as owners as a workaround to Canadian laws. They don't actually 'own' any of the companies they "license".

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
No mention of them having contacted the police, in any country. Think about that.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think AJ Green blackmailing AP is a secret by now so I'm just gonna come out and say it: AJ Green blackmailed AP. duh.

[/ QUOTE ]

if the secret has come out, then why aren't they going after him now? If true, wouldn't that be the fastest way for them to regain their credibility?

[/ QUOTE ]

please explain how going after him now would stop him telling the DOJ what he knows any better than a week ago

Re: AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
The people who have been fingered - Tom and Green, are in hiding somewhere in a third world country where they don't need to fear extradition.

[/ QUOTE ]

just to be safe, i propose that we finger serinda as well...

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
I liked that ABC article, especially this part:

The Quebec provincial police told ABC News they were looking into the matter but could not comment on a pending investigation.

Frank Catania, a former gaming commissioner in New Jersey who helped the Kahnawake Gaming establish its regulations, said under commission rules AbsolutePoker could lose its license and individuals could be turned over to Canadian authorities.

"If anything was done illegally or dishonestly, the company could have their license revoked, the money could be refunded or legal ramifications could happen," he said.

somebody needs to write a detailed letter to Frank Catania.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why? Frank Catania has absolutely no involvement in this, he just helped the Mohawks write their "gaming regulations".

Re: New AP Statement
 

Generally speaking, unless you hear of a change in ownership for a huge sum of money, whoever set up the company, owns the company. Not as if it wasn't making money.

That's the frat boys and whoever backed the business start-up.

("They'll never work for AP again, they'll just live off the shares...")

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
So the letter that Chief Joe Norton wrote to the public about how they caught the high level consultant and were going to clean up the mess was a letter from someone not in a high position at AP?

[/ QUOTE ]
He claims to own Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, which seems to own some part of AP - probably the brand or something.

He may well do the things he claimed, and may have some pull.


I'm saying that different parts of the AP operation are owned by different players. Owning the brand/face of AP is one thing, but it should be possible to follow the tracks to other owners.


He can truthfully say that he is the owner of Absolute Poker - because "Absolute Poker" in the context that he uses it refers to the legal entity "Absolute Poker". They also seem to have some sort of management arrangement with another party to actually operate the gaming operations.

Re: New AP Statement
 

http://homer.butt.googlepages.com/ap-gang.jpg

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
No mention of them having contacted the police, in any country. Think about that.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think AJ Green blackmailing AP is a secret by now so I'm just gonna come out and say it: AJ Green blackmailed AP. duh.

[/ QUOTE ]

if the secret has come out, then why aren't they going after him now? If true, wouldn't that be the fastest way for them to regain their credibility?

[/ QUOTE ]

please explain how going after him now would stop him telling the DOJ what he knows any better than a week ago

[/ QUOTE ]

AJ had something on Absolute that they were willing to pay for rather than go to the police....
That hasn't changed!
They don't want him talking!!

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
AJ had something on Absolute that they were willing to pay for rather than go to the police....

[/ QUOTE ]

please don't say "cheating" because then I'm going to have to laugh and probably ban you for idiocy

hint: most of these people are US citizens running a poker site

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
No mention of them having contacted the police, in any country. Think about that.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think AJ Green blackmailing AP is a secret by now so I'm just gonna come out and say it: AJ Green blackmailed AP. duh.

[/ QUOTE ]

if the secret has come out, then why aren't they going after him now? If true, wouldn't that be the fastest way for them to regain their credibility?

[/ QUOTE ]

please explain how going after him now would stop him telling the DOJ what he knows any better than a week ago

[/ QUOTE ]

I wasn't trying to troll, just asking a question. I don't think this is as clear to everyone here as it is to you (at least me). Are you saying that he is blackmailing them with regards to the true ownership of AP, that their systems were comprismised, or something else?


edit: nevermind, just read the above.

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
So the letter that Chief Joe Norton wrote to the public about how they caught the high level consultant and were going to clean up the mess was a letter from someone not in a high position at AP?

[/ QUOTE ]
He claims to own Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, which seems to own some part of AP - probably the brand or something.

He may well do the things he claimed, and may have some pull.


I'm saying that different parts of the AP operation are owned by different players. Owning the brand/face of AP is one thing, but it should be possible to follow the tracks to other owners.


He can truthfully say that he is the owner of Absolute Poker - because "Absolute Poker" in the context that he uses it refers to the legal entity "Absolute Poker". They also seem to have some sort of management arrangement with another party to actually operate the gaming operations.

[/ QUOTE ]

I guess I'm wondering who in AP has the power to throw out the previous management that was overseen by the ones that seemingly were corrupt? I heard mention that the reason they denied the previous claims of cheating was because they were told to by the ones that were doing the cheating. If that is true somehow, who in AP was able to get them to step down in order to begin cleaning up the mess they made? Other minority shareholders in AP? A group of them? Is their now a name at AP that we can go to as being in charge of AP? Or is Chief Norton the only one who has stepped forward?

Re: New AP Statement
 

[ QUOTE ]
I doubt Gaming Associates knows Mr Norton, since they are in Australia. Go to their website - gamingassociates.com. They seem to have an almost absurd amount of expertise in this area of investigating the honesty of gambling establishments. If they can't get to the bottom of this matter, then I doubt anyone on earth can.

[/ QUOTE ]

From Gaming Associates own website:
[ QUOTE ]

Gaming Associates is the exclusive technical consulting organisation to the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. We are the Accredited Test Facility* (ATF) for the Commission, providing technical services in relation to all systems assurance. If you have any questions then please contact the Commission or our Kahnawake Project Manager at kgc@gamingassociates.com


[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.gamingassociates.com/Pages/mohawk.aspx

And from the GA-KGC FAQ:

[ QUOTE ]

What services do Gaming Associates provide to the Commission?

Gaming Associates provide services directly to the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. The Commission currently directs Gaming Associates to provide:

a risk assessment (systems) of existing and would-be permit holders

an audit to validate claims made by existing & would-be permit holders

a monthly analysis and monitoring program

ad hoc advice and service at the Commission's discretion



[/ QUOTE ]

Qustion is.....if GA does a monthly analysis, what did they miss last month that they are catching now?

And is GA the guys who did the initial investigation that "found nothing improper"?

Re: New AP Statement
 

lol
I was trying to explain to the other poster what blackmail means and why the blackmailed party wouldn't want to report the blackmailer even after some truth came out.
quote:
"if the secret has come out, then why aren't they going after him now? If true, wouldn't that be the fastest way for them to regain their credibility?"