Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

There was this user.... a consultant, not an employee, thats why there is no record of him...but he had intimate knowledge of the systems... and access to information of whole bunch of important people's accounts, as well as their homes, and personal computers. He might also have had access to their wives. He has travelled extensively, possibly to many countries, possibly logging into to multiple accounts in multiple countries at the same time, possibly from the account owners homes.He was able to do this while none of the accounts real owners knew that someone was making millions on their accounts, possibly from their houses, possibly while they were were home.

There ap I wrote your statement for u. oh for 1 million I'll move to Costa Rica and sign a notarized statement that I did it, but you can probably get a local for 200k. If you are really clever you can give him the 200k, get the statement, then somehow steal it back off him.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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I'm skeptical. This all still wreaks of a payoff to a fallguy.

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Exactly. Hopefully adanthar and the other involved people with inside information have withheld enough information that such an attempt will be shot down fairly easily.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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If one were using GoToMyPC to remotely access a computer at Scott Tom's house, or anwhere else, actions performed by the remotely accessed PC would have the IP of that PC, not the PC initiating the GoToMyPC session.

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There would also be detailed logs that are created by GoToMyPC everytime a remote session is established through them.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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It's possible I'm going to have a hearty lol when this statment comes out.

Are they going to blame security? risk management? a baller buddy of scott tom? who knows. stay tuned imo.

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Yeah if Scott makes a statement about modeling his life after his grandfather Tico I wouldn't be suprised at this point.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

just odd how the bulk of this scheme seems to have been played out through Scott Tom's house, guess all his frat buddies get keys to the pad...lol, in my opinion, there is more than one guy involved, and probably the whole frat gang

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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you can give him the 200k, get the statement, then somehow steal it back off him.

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lure him into an indian casino, youll have it back in no time.

better, play highstakes heads up nlhe with him, use #363.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

Sarcasm noted. But you would have to pay me alot more than a million to take the fall for this.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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seems to me like this upcoming statement may implicate Scott's best friend A.J., since they can't afford the originating owner/founder to be guilty, it's much easier to throw the best friend under the bus and take the entire blame

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He may have been hired for this from the beginning. His "legal" name change resulted from something negative...oh, internet website scams?

Edit: It may come in the 4th or 6th upcoming statement.

gg

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

good point gary

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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Highly trusted consultant this time.

Hey... its an upgrade at least from "lol its not happening and never could" to "chips were dumped but in no way were we compromised" to "rogue geek took a joke too far to prove a point" to... "hey we gots an important consultant now".

It's possible I'm going to have a hearty lol when this statment comes out.

Are they going to blame security? risk management? a baller buddy of scott tom? who knows. stay tuned imo.

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You just made me spewing the water in my mouth all over the desk [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
It almost wont matter what they say after all those lies it will be hard to believe any story.
Specially the chipdumping of 6 digits, how can you not instant see this?

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

what a cartoon. If this crap doesn't stop spewing from AP by Monday, I'm calling Dateline.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

Okay, I just got off the phone with someone high up.

Two people will be implicated here, you can probably guess who. One is going to be removed from online poker forever and one is going be removed for a fair amount of time.

I was asked not to post specifics and that AP's statement is going to be detailed and is going to be released Sunday morning.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

hey Seif, where's that HH you promised, getting the final touches done on it before its e-mailed?

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

Guys,

This is unconfirmed, but I was forwarded this transcript, possibly from the suspect here:

Transcript: Jesus Jimenez interview

HOLA
MI NOMBRE ES JESUS
I CONSULTING FOR ABSOLUTE OFFICE TO MAKE THE POKER
I FIND A PROGRAM AND TAKE IT
I SORRY I MAKE BAD PLAYERS
I WAS THE POTRAPPER
I ALSO GRAYGATO
I DO NOT WANT HURTING PEOPLES
I VERY SORRY
I GIVE BACK MONIES
NOW I MUST TO COSTA RICA JAIL
FOR THREE WEEKS
ALSO PLEASE TO REMEMBER
NO OTHER PROBLEMS WITH ABSOLUTE
OTHER SECURITY THERE IS A PLUS NUMERO UNO
ALSO 200% DEPOSIT BONUS ES MUY BUENO
OK I MUST TO JAIL
ADIOS

Just want to repeat, this has not been verified yet as the official confession transcript.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

[ ] that's cool

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

Why do I have pictures in my mind of board meetings in other small poker companies, when they are all going over these threads and thinking "remember our brilliant plan to cheat our customers? perhaps we should put it off".

Since I'm posting, I'd like to (cliché alert) thank all those working on this. I think this is one of those moments in history that will eventually wind up having many ramifications, and most I think will be positive for us. If only this had happened in classes discussing political philosophy where people would say "if there's no government, no one will bother to track criminals" ORLY?

PS. Don't go to Costa Rica.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

Will AP ever address the fact that they have blatantly lied to everyone several times in an attempt to cover their own asses?

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

Unlike what El D posted, the two people are very high up at AP. And good friends. Read between the lines.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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Will AP ever address the fact that they have blatantly lied to everyone several times in an attempt to cover their own asses?

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I don't know...

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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Will AP ever address the fact that they have blatantly lied to everyone several times in an attempt to cover their own asses?

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I'm sure that acknowledgment will be addressed in the opening paragraph of their statement...

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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Two people will be implicated here, you can probably guess who. One is going to be removed from online poker forever and one is going be removed for a fair amount of time.


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How does one become "removed from online poker"?

gg

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

no more clicking fingers?

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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Two people will be implicated here, you can probably guess who. One is going to be removed from online poker forever and one is going be removed for a fair amount of time.


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How does one become "removed from online poker"?

gg

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By the KGC as I understand it.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

another stupid step by absolute, adanthar, i hope u and others with inside info can counter this, plz bring the pain

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

Could there be multiple wrongdoings/truths in this case ?

- The cover-up can't be denied and justifies by itself all the problems to come for them.
- But the initial cheating isn't obvious ? As well as the major chip-dumping in one session (like if the people who cheated were yelling : "hey ! in case you didn't notice the cheating, look at this chip-dumping !".
Connect this to the right-front rim of the jet (sept. 4th 2007) that was loose (?) during the take-off and you have a whole new history to dig...

It looks like a "Russian dolls" story, doesn't it ?

As for the Costa-Rican ISP that was used, probably that a few hundreds could buy the IP history for the incriminated periods of time.. ??

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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another stupid step by absolute, adanthar, i hope u and others with inside info can counter this, plz bring the pain

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Actually, the two people that will be implicated are very high up. I don't think it's a stupid step, they're finally doing the right thing. Someone can lie for a long time, but coming clean is always better late than never.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

El D,

You made me laugh out loud for a good 30 seconds.

Nat/all,

I think the biggest event that came out of this whole deal was actually the KGC getting off its ass. I'm 100% serious about this.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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Two people will be implicated here, you can probably guess who. One is going to be removed from online poker forever and one is going be removed for a fair amount of time.


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How does one become "removed from online poker"?

gg

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By the KGC as I understand it.

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And this is their what, first, official act. wow

Edit: I guess that they offered/promised to pay for GA's audit on Absolute...and they passed gaming regulations last week, I think. So maybe 3rd official act. See Lori's sticky in Internet Gambling.

gg

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

Well this is good if the 2 ppl are the only 2 ppl involved. It smells that they decided 1 sacrificial lamb wouldn't appease the baying crowds so threw 2 in there.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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One is going to be removed from online poker forever and one is going be removed for a fair amount of time.


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What does that mean? Removed forever. Sounds scary.

And a fair amount of time? What does that mean?

Guess we just have to wait for the much anticipated statement.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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Okay, I just got off the phone with someone high up.

Two people will be implicated here, you can probably guess who. One is going to be removed from online poker forever and one is going be removed for a fair amount of time.

I was asked not to post specifics and that AP's statement is going to be detailed and is going to be released Sunday morning.

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thanks for your work but considering that nobody regulates online poker how does Russ Hamilton remove someone from online poker and why is the other person only being removed for a time frame? Who says they won't have a shell of a shell company and again it'd be impossible to track who's at the top or if they move to another country and gaspp change their name?

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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Unlike what El D posted, the two people are very high up at AP. And good friends. Read between the lines.

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Not Jesus's good friend Miguel? Please no. He has a family to feed. And the little one, she no health so good. No bueno.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

Maybe Oscar Hilt Whatever's wife is the one that is really in charge and she had enough with us pouring over her wedding pictures. Or maybe her family is, well, connected. Notice the commas!

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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El D,

You made me laugh out loud for a good 30 seconds.

Nat/all,

I think the biggest event that came out of this whole deal was actually the KGC getting off its ass. I'm 100% serious about this.

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agree on all points.... and I'm glad you're laughing, I know this has been very intense for you and Nat. You have the gratitude of the entire poker community- I hope that's payment enough. If not, maybe all the good karma will kick in at the next WSOP, hunh?

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

I'm getting semi-hard @ the thought of AP actually telling the truth....... oh wait the vitamin "V" is kicking in.


srsly tho.... great work guys.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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Connect this to the right-front rim of the jet (sept. 4th 2007) that was loose (?) during the take-off and you have a whole new history to dig...

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Now this would be a sick sick twist. Attempted murder to silence good old innocent Oscar.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

N,

"Two people will be implicated here, you can probably guess who. One is going to be removed from online poker forever and one is going be removed for a fair amount of time."

This is, of course, pretty much totally meaningless.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

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N,

"Two people will be implicated here, you can probably guess who. One is going to be removed from online poker forever and one is going be removed for a fair amount of time."

This is, of course, pretty much totally meaningless.

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I assume they'll be receiving some level of income via shell companies, but I believe they will be removed from immediate access and daily decision-making power.

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

OK this is gonna be kind of a long post but this is what I have on OSCAR133... I was playing the 500 on absolute on a friends account because he wasnt available to play that afternoon and he agreed to split with me 50-50... anyways I had about 38k at 600-1200 blinds and OSCAR133 shows up at my table... the first hand he is there, I give him a walk since I am in the SB and he is to my left in the BB.... the second hand a short stack shoves and everyone folds including him...and the THIRD HAND AT THE TABLE WHEN HE HAS NO READS ON ANYONE, THIS IS WHAT FOLLOWS:

Stage #933700557 Tourney ID 1891776 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $1200 - 2007-10-06 19:25:31 (ET)
Table: 22 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 1 - BN4270 ($21363 in chips)
Seat 3 - POCKET PUKE ($88801.50 in chips)
Seat 4 - CRAZYCHRIS45 ($39543 in chips)
Seat 5 - OSCAR133 ($38453 in chips)
Seat 6 - DOMVA ($33255 in chips)
Seat 7 - PHOINIX ($7849 in chips)
Seat 8 - IGOR211 ($16606 in chips)
Seat 9 - ADOMIP ($18644 in chips)
BN4270 - Ante $100
POCKET PUKE - Ante $100
CRAZYCHRIS45 - Ante $100
OSCAR133 - Ante $100
DOMVA - Ante $100
PHOINIX - Ante $100
IGOR211 - Ante $100
ADOMIP - Ante $100
DOMVA - Posts small blind $600
PHOINIX - Posts big blind $1200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to CRAZYCHRIS45 [8h 8c]
IGOR211 - Folds
ADOMIP - Folds
BN4270 - Folds
POCKET PUKE - Folds
CRAZYCHRIS45 - Raises $2999 to $2999
OSCAR133 - Calls $2999 <---- flat calls pre to see if he hits a good flop, the usual style of potripper
DOMVA - Folds
PHOINIX - Folds
*** FLOP *** [5s 10c 4c]
CRAZYCHRIS45 - Checks
OSCAR133 - Bets $4800 <--- knows hes good and bets for value
CRAZYCHRIS45 - Calls $4800
*** TURN *** [5s 10c 4c] [Js]
CRAZYCHRIS45 - Checks
OSCAR133 - Bets $3600 <--- knows I have one out and makes his bet smaller, very similar to potripper's style also
CRAZYCHRIS45 - Calls $3600
*** RIVER *** [5s 10c 4c Js] [Kd]
CRAZYCHRIS45 - Bets $24000
OSCAR133 - Calls $24000 <---- (SNAPP, AND I MEAN SNAPPPPPPPPPPPPPP CALLED HERE, when he is losing to AK AQ AJ KQ KJ KT QJ QT TT JJ QQ KK and AA, without a moments hesitation with 0 reads on the table...)
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CRAZYCHRIS45 - Shows [8h 8c] (One pair, eights)
OSCAR133 - Shows [As 10s] (One pair, tens)
OSCAR133 Collects $73398 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($73398)
Board [5s 10c 4c Js Kd]
Seat 1: BN4270 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: POCKET PUKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: CRAZYCHRIS45 HI:lost with One pair, eights [8h 8c - P:8h,P:8c,B:Kd,B:Js,B:10c]
Seat 5: OSCAR133 (dealer) won Total ($73398) HI:($73398) with One pair, tens [As 10s - P:10s,B:10c,P:As,B:Kd,B:Js]
Seat 6: DOMVA (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: PHOINIX (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: IGOR211 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: ADOMIP Folded on the POCKET CARDS


very next hand, it seems like he is trying to finish us off as quickly as possible knowing he has live cards... its all so fishy I wish we had more hands from someone but here is the last and final hand I played with OSCAR who makes a sketchy call for 29k more for no reason:


Stage #933701725 Tourney ID 1891776 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $1200 - 2007-10-06 19:26:43 (ET)
Table: 22 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 1 - BN4270 ($21263 in chips)
Seat 3 - POCKET PUKE ($88701.50 in chips)
Seat 4 - CRAZYCHRIS45 ($4044 in chips)
Seat 5 - OSCAR133 ($76352 in chips)
Seat 6 - DOMVA ($32555 in chips)
Seat 7 - PHOINIX ($6549 in chips)
Seat 8 - IGOR211 ($16506 in chips)
Seat 9 - ADOMIP ($18544 in chips)
BN4270 - Ante $100
POCKET PUKE - Ante $100
CRAZYCHRIS45 - Ante $100
OSCAR133 - Ante $100
DOMVA - Ante $100
PHOINIX - Ante $100
IGOR211 - Ante $100
ADOMIP - Ante $100
PHOINIX - Posts small blind $600
IGOR211 - Posts big blind $1200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to CRAZYCHRIS45 [6d 6s]
ADOMIP - Folds
BN4270 - Folds
POCKET PUKE - Raises $3600 to $3600
CRAZYCHRIS45 - All-In(Raise) $3944 to $3944
OSCAR133 - Calls $3944
DOMVA - All-In(Raise) $32455 to $32455
PHOINIX - Folds
IGOR211 - Folds
POCKET PUKE - Folds
OSCAR133 - Calls $28511
*** FLOP *** [8d 4h 8s]
*** TURN *** [8d 4h 8s] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [8d 4h 8s 2h] [10c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CRAZYCHRIS45 - Shows [6d 6s] (Two Pair, eights and sixes)
OSCAR133 - Shows [7c Ac] (One pair, eights)
DOMVA - Shows [Kh Kd] (Two Pair, kings and eights)
DOMVA Collects $57022 from side pot-1
DOMVA Collects $18032 from main pot



discuss...I was very upset when he snap called that river and I remember not understanding how anyone could call so quikcly and could a player like this really dominate a tournament and a satellite without messing up? It seems unlikely..

Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
 

as Nat put it
"Two people will be implicated here, you can probably guess who"

"the two people are very high up at AP. And good friends. Read between the lines."

Scott and AJ.....
Guess we will have to wait.