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it's not that he lost with aces...it's the fact that he lost with those aces in a situation that knocks him out of the tournament....plain and simple.....

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OMG OMG OMG he was all-in....tournament ends quicker....that damned riverstars.....post more post more post more.....

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keep in mind...if you were to ask Pokerstars for statistics like well what percentage of the time AA hold up against say i don't know KK...or any other two cards..i GURUNTEE you that their results will be exatly what it would be expected statistically....HOWEVER....If you were to look at hand histories and ask the question...HOW Frequently did a hugely favortie hand lost to another hand...but in a situation where player A can knock out player B...(even though player A is huge underdog)..those statistics are MIND boggling......NO WAY RNG is working properly ...

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Ok I finished my ten...

4 in the money net up 8 bucks. Now what?


I didn't say you can't win money...all I said is the RNG is flawed...


R you willing to say that the RNG is not compromized?..i.e did you not notice any "weird" results

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Yup -- pretty much all systems are go -- that result for my 10 is pretty much totally consistent with my other 2500ish SNG games which are scattered all over the damn place...

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actually don't you mean it's mind BOTTLING?

OMG, a chip leader had to put in a bit more money to knock out a player and did? and wow, a 10% event happened? Sure convinced me...

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All you OP haters are......just shills for Stars aren't you???.......I'm on to you all now.....did you actually look at that hand history????.....Aces....LOST.....to A-2.....knocked him out of the tourney!!!!!!!!......it's so obvious now.......no more riverstars for me.....or is it turnstars???.....well whatever it's obviously riggggggggged!!111!!11!!1!1!

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actually don't you mean it's mind BOTTLING?

OMG, a chip leader had to put in a bit more money to knock out a player and did? and wow, a 10% event happened? Sure convinced me...

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Thank you for blurbing the OBVIOUS..the point is not what the chip leader did....the point is that YOU NOTICE this OVER AND OVER again in similar situations....SO much so that statistically it does not make sense....

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Stats stats stats show us stats.....oh boy oh boy oh boy.....I'm so excited....it's like Christmas......we're finally going to blow the lid off all these rigged sites!!111!!!11!!................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..

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When you can predict when a hugely favorite hand will loose to an inferior hand with high enough accuracy that you can use that info to your advantage can only mean one thing...a compromized RNG....we are not talking about running bad here for a month of a year....this is a DAILY occurance in EVERY SINGLE game.......at the end of the day the effect would dilute out for any indicidual player if they play enough of these....BUT...it offrs clear advantage to Pokerstars....which all of you are willing to live with..it would seem...

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Isn't it past your bedtime now?

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No I can't live with it!!!....out them out them out them.....stats stats stats........I don't want to loose any more.....please I'm tired of loosing when I know it's all luck.........

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What if you had KK.....would you fold knowing.....they are making you lose to Q7s......or AI so....you would beat AA???

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It's JUST like you said a couple of weeks ago.....

"Poker is all luck anyways....and luck is something u are born with....no skills needed"

It's soooooo true........damn turnstars.........

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It's JUST like you said a couple of weeks ago.....

"Poker is all luck anyways....and luck is something u are born with....no skills needed"

taht was a level.....and u know u were leveled...

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No......taht couldn't have been....it's so true.....I saw it!!!!!.....AA looses to A-2..........

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lol @ people responding seriously

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lol @ people responding seriously

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yeah really

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Wait a minute....are you guys hating on the OP???....didn't you see the hand history????.....AA looses to A-2!11!!11!!......what more do you need???............

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OMG OP has the secret to SNG success... OP needs a book deal please..Get down to the last 5 and shove every hand..The RNG is rigged so that the largest chip stack never loses regardless of cards or odds...How did I not see this before???? Sorry OP if I ruined book by letting your secret strategy out early..

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OMG OP has the secret to SNG success... OP needs a book deal please..Get down to the last 5 and shove every hand..The RNG is rigged so that the largest chip stack never loses regardless of cards or odds...How did I not see this before???? Sorry OP if I ruined book by letting your secret strategy out early..

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WOW....someone with over 1700 posts would try soo hard to come across as a know-it-all.....You would think by now they would be a lil better at it than this guy/gal..No?.....JUST WOW

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^^ Thank you for reading this thread...Now I know how you reached the 5000 level....Congratulations...You should be happy your dad didn't just flush you down the toilet like millions of your brotherens and sisters before you were concieved.....

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Whats up with all the ...? I hope it's not morse code, because I don't speak it. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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....for the blind.....

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Meh...I'm just not good enough to be a full-time troll. I can't keep it up.

OP, yours is just yet another in the never-ending parade of "poker is rigged" threads. We see so many here in the Zoo that really you have no chance of being taken seriously unless you want to produce some evidence. Asking us to prove a negative is silly, even more so if you're going with a theory that it's rigged for different people based on chip count, as I can't imagine that would be easy to disprove via PT stats. I'm not going to waste my time playing 10 SNGs to find your RNG anomalies, and I doubt anyone else is either.

I really hope for your sake this is some pathetic leveling thread. If it isn't, obviously no one's going to convince you otherwise, as we'll never be able to prove the negative. So thanks for the info, nothing more to see here....move along...move along.

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Meh...I'm just not good enough to be a full-time troll. I can't keep it up.

OP, yours is just yet another in the never-ending parade of "poker is rigged" threads. We see so many here in the Zoo that really you have no chance of being taken seriously unless you want to produce some evidence. Asking us to prove a negative is silly, even more so if you're going with a theory that it's rigged for different people based on chip count, as I can't imagine that would be easy to disprove via PT stats. I'm not going to waste my time playing 10 SNGs to find your RNG anomalies, and I doubt anyone else is either.

I really hope for your sake this is some pathetic leveling thread. If it isn't, obviously no one's going to convince you otherwise, as we'll never be able to prove the negative. So thanks for the info, nothing more to see here....move along...move along.

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You don't have to do anything.....keep living in your world...and be happy....your are obviously comfortable in it....This challenge is for those that seek to see beyong the obvious.........I have no doubt that many on this forum who have read this thread have noticed what I am talking about and probably never addressed it cause as soon as someone mentions online sites being rigged everyone thinks the guy must be an aluminum foil salesman...

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...a few things

1) OP you are asking for everyone to play ten SNGs and look at the HHs to see that the RNG is flawed, but you have not posted 10 SNGs worth of HHs yourself so you immediately lose credibility

2) 10 tourneys worth of HHs are an extrememly inadequate sample size. Any person with any math knowledge will tell you that any trend seen in the span of only 10 tourneys can very easily (and, in fact, most definitely) fall into the realm of statistical variance

3) I am NEARLY 100% that this is nothing but a trolling thread. If it is not, then I AM 100% convinced that OP is an idiot and has no working knowledge of the math in poker.

4) Considering the facts in #3, Why the [censored] is this thread still unlocked?!?!?!?!?!

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Let's see...

" OP you are asking for everyone to play ten SNGs and look at the HHs to see that the RNG is flawed, but you have not posted 10 SNGs worth of HHs yourself so you immediately lose credibility"

My Credibility is not at stake here....Just because the woman who says she was raped happens to be a prostitute does not mean you don't believe what she is saying.....

"10 tourneys worth of HHs are an extrememly inadequate sample size. Any person with any math knowledge will tell you that any trend seen in the span of only 10 tourneys can very easily (and, in fact, most definitely) fall into the realm of statistical variance"


YOU CLEARLY have not played the SNGS that I am talking about....cause if you did...you would not be throwing the variance at me.....Variance Is a Bitch...we all know....But consistant patterns do not equate to variance...

"I am NEARLY 100% that this is nothing but a trolling thread. If it is not, then I AM 100% convinced that OP is an idiot and has no working knowledge of the math in poker"

OMG..THE MATH IN POKER....MY HEAD WILL EXPLODE.....Dude there's only 52 cards in the deck....don't make it out to the equivalent of solving Fermat's Last Theorem...

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Just because the woman who says she was raped happens to be a prostitute does not mean you don't believe what she is saying

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I feel like you should have elaborated on this in your original post. Shame on you lee jones. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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This challenge is for those that seek to see [b]beyong[b] the obvious

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My Credibility is not at stake here

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I never said it was. I was meaning that you have to have some level of credibility for others to have any initial faith in your claim. Without you providing your piece of "evidence" why would anyone want to look into what you say?

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But consistant patterns do not equate to variance...

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um....over 10 tourneys, yeah...it almost EXACTLY equals variance...

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OMG..THE MATH IN POKER....MY HEAD WILL EXPLODE.....Dude there's only 52 cards in the deck....don't make it out to the equivalent of solving Fermat's Last Theorem...

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I am not exaggerating the math in poker to be some grand unsolvable equation. Nor should you simplify it to a level so elementary where 10 tourneys can in any way be considered proof of a long-term pattern. (especially since you won't even cough up 10 HHs to begin analysis of your "theory")


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Why the [censored] is this thread still unlocked?!?!?!?!?!

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OK..so what do you need as a proof....?

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Just because the woman who says she was raped happens to be a prostitute does not mean you don't believe what she is saying

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I feel like you should have elaborated on this in your original post. Shame on you lee jones. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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A+

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PERFECT EXAMPLE BELOW..


PokerStars Game #XXXXXXXXX: Tournament #XXXXXXX, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/10/20 - 01:13:36 (ET)
Table 'xxxxxx' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
Seat 2: player a (3900 in chips)
Seat 4: player B (1210 in chips)
Seat 7: player C (2610 in chips)
Seat 9: Player D(5695 in chips)
Seat 10: Player E (1585 in chips)
Player A: posts small blind 75
Player B: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Player E [Qd Th]
Player c: calls 150
player d: calls 150
player e: calls 150
player a: calls 75
player b: checks
*** FLOP *** [9c 3d 2s]
player a: checks
player b: checks
player c: checks
player d: bets 450
player e: folds
player a: folds
player b: raises 610 to 1060 and is all-in
player c: folds
player d: calls 610
*** TURN *** [9c 3d 2s] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [9c 3d 2s 2c] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
player B: shows [Ah Ac] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
player d: shows [Ad 2d] (three of a kind, Deuces)
player d collected 2870 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2870 | Rake 0
Board [9c 3d 2s 2c Qh]
Seat 2: player a (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: player b (big blind) showed [Ah Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Deuces
Seat 7: player c folded on the Flop
Seat 9: player d showed [Ad 2d] and won (2870) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 10: player e (button) folded on the Flop

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If OP was Player B in this hand it explains so much.

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Play 10 $3.40 10 player SNGs at Pokerstars and come back to say that the site is using a fair RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR. ANyone with any common sense would know that the site is clearly rigging the RNG to make the games go faster so that it can run as many games as possible as soon as possible....

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Lol are you serious? I've been datamining micro Stars SNGs for years. There's NOTHING unusual there.

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OK..so what do you need as a proof....?

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Complete HH of at least 100k hands is a good start.

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As a srsbiz question...how is THIS the thread that the zoo picks up and runs with today? OP isn't even amusing aside from bizarre punctuation...

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PokerStars Game #XXXXXXXXX: Tournament #XXXXXXX, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/10/20 - 01:13:36 (ET)
Table 'xxxxxx' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
Seat 2: player a (3900 in chips)
Seat 4: player B (1210 in chips)
Seat 7: player C (2610 in chips)
Seat 9: Player D(5695 in chips)
Seat 10: Player E (1585 in chips)
Player A: posts small blind 75
Player B: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Player E [Qd Th]
Player c: calls 150
player d: calls 150
player e: calls 150
player a: calls 75
player b: checks
*** FLOP *** [9c 3d 2s]
player a: checks
player b: checks
player c: checks
player d: bets 450
player e: folds
player a: folds
player b: raises 610 to 1060 and is all-in
player c: folds
player d: calls 610
*** TURN *** [9c 3d 2s] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [9c 3d 2s 2c] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
player B: shows [Ah Ac] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
player d: shows [Ad 2d] (three of a kind, Deuces)
player d collected 2870 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2870 | Rake 0
Board [9c 3d 2s 2c Qh]
Seat 2: player a (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: player b (big blind) showed [Ah Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Deuces
Seat 7: player c folded on the Flop
Seat 9: player d showed [Ad 2d] and won (2870) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 10: player e (button) folded on the Flop

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So, players b, d and e are fish, this is perfectly standard at a low limit donk and go, ban OP

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missing "retard" option

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By the way...YOu have to be atleast survive till 5 players are remining..to start noticing the anamolies...

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LOL LOL LOL and MEGALOL!

When it comes to the bubble game everyone uses proper push-fold strategy. Either based on sw recomendations or on a guesses.
Today everyone knows how to play the bubble. If you think your opponents don't you are wrong.
And if you never used a calculation how to behave you are wrong even more. And lose that bucks quickly.

If you think there wasn't KK vs AJo earlier because you didn't see such a show down you are wrong even more and more.