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One thing I would say to everyone is that very few players end up staying on a team for more than 2 and certainly 3 years. Thinking "oh, I'll have Howard til he's 34" sounds great on paper, but in reality isn't at all likely. You may not keep him til he's 24.

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Can you explain the reasoning behind this please. Why wouldn't you just keep the young guys forever?

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See my comments in the league email discussion today. I addressed this exact issue at length.

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Ah, just checked the league message board....see it now. I'm still not sure I agree completely, but obv you have the experience and I don't.

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Alright so now i am at...

Felton
Wade
Tmac
LBJ
Prince
J.O.
Lee
Yao
Bogut
Shaq

What categories or players should i be targeting? I have a bunch of picks coming up due to trades.

Players i have thought about targeting...

Mobley
Walton
Qrich
Dunleavy
Villaneuva
Conley Jr.
Thorton

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wtf, small league? nice team if not. league settings?

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Its just this whacky email programs you guys are using that I don't seem to understand...I never knew that we'd have to be doing that, and I still don't see why its a necessity.

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Again, things like league spreadsheets with positions come via email, as do people's trade offers and trade discussions (and explanations of things like why players get traded more than one might think at first).

In all seriousness, this shtick is seriously irritating people who are really trying to help you. You're a smart dude, act like it. I know some of this is amusing to you, but many of us have real lives and don't have the time to deal with someone as high maintenance as you've been so far.

I personally think you'll add a lot to the league, and as you know bent over backwards to ensure you joined. However, I've gotten emails from several owners asking why we're being so patient. Help me out a little here.

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Clark,

I have thanked you before and I'll thank you again for going out of your way to include me in the league. I do not think you'll regret it, as I think I'll be a very active and competitive owner.

Moreover, I honestly had both this thread and our league message board open at the same time and had just happened to read this thread quicker- that is why I asked you a question about players being traded often that you had already answered.

With all that said, I have just checked my email and I have zero messages from your or anyone else regarding player positions or salaries. This is not schtick. I don't know if my email is filtering them out, if I've given an incorrect address(assanifisher@hotmail.com), if I have my settings on CBS to not send me emails, or what else could be the problem.

You have my guarantee that once I learn everything(which will not take long) I will not only not be high maintainence, but I will try to return the favor by going out of my way to help any newcomers to the league in the future.


Assani

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Icy Pots my man.

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With all that said, I have just checked my email and I have zero messages from your or anyone else regarding player positions or salaries. This is not schtick. I don't know if my email is filtering them out, if I've given an incorrect address(assanifisher@hotmail.com), if I have my settings on CBS to not send me emails, or what else could be the problem.


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The thing that's hard to believe, Assani, is that after the first mix up, this wasn't the first thing you checked. You just kept asking "what's the deal?" Every sane person I know would first check their settings at CBS, check alternate mail accounts to make sure they didn't get mixed up, and contact support if everything looked clean but they still weren't getting mails. It's just kinda bizarre to go weeks without taking those steps, ya know?

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Let it go...I know we're all upset about Kenny Frickin Lofton...

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ps assani I'm totally not one of the owners that emailed league HQs. I bet it was Thayer. We should probably stop hijacking this thread.

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With all that said, I have just checked my email and I have zero messages from your or anyone else regarding player positions or salaries. This is not schtick. I don't know if my email is filtering them out, if I've given an incorrect address(assanifisher@hotmail.com), if I have my settings on CBS to not send me emails, or what else could be the problem.


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The thing that's hard to believe, Assani, is that after the first mix up, this wasn't the first thing you checked. You just kept asking "what's the deal?" Every sane person I know would first check their settings at CBS, check alternate mail accounts to make sure they didn't get mixed up, and contact support if everything looked clean but they still weren't getting mails. It's just kinda bizarre to go weeks without taking those steps, ya know?

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Its taken care of now, so no biggie....but the thing that you guys aren't realizing is that I literally NEVER use email. I use myspace to communicate with friends, and I just post on here and footballguys for social networking online. So a lot of these concepts that are basic to you are very foreign to me. The hotmail software in particular is causing me a lot of confusion. Plus I disagree with what Clark said earlier- Honestly I'm a pretty stupid person, no joke. But like I said, its all cleared up now. I'm actually planning on doing a ton of research and thinking tonight and making my own draft cheat sheet. Icy pots.

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ps assani I'm totally not one of the owners that emailed league HQs. I bet it was Thayer. We should probably stop hijacking this thread.

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oh please.

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wtf, small league? nice team if not. league settings?

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12 Team H2H Keep 4 league: FG%, FT%, 3PM, PTS, REB, AST, STL, BLK, TO

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but the thing that you guys aren't realizing is that I used to literally NEVER use email.

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FYP

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wtf, small league? nice team if not. league settings?

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12 Team H2H Keep 4 league: FG%, FT%, 3PM, PTS, REB, AST, STL, BLK, TO

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well you're REALLY strong in Pts/Rebs/Ast/Blk/FG%. Really weak in FT%(largely due to shaq)/TO. Pretty weak in 3PTM and below average in Steals.

Depending on how often youre going to play shaq, give up on FT%, TO's are long gone. Make a decision about 3PTM/Stls and go from there.

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How is my team so far, not done drafting, cats in OP:

PG: Billups
SG: AI
SF: Artest
PF: Harrington
C: Yao
UT: Deng
BN Biedrins
BN Prince
BN Ilgauskas
BN Walton
BN Conley Jr.

Good, bad? 12 team

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First time at Fantasy. 10 team league. Pretty decent competition I think. I had 10th pick overall and Im wondering how good/badly Ive done as there's an obvious lack of genuine stars here. Here's my list:

R. Alston
R. Hamilton
Ginobili
Raja Bell
Carmelo
Turkoglu
J.O.
Marv Williams
Bosh
Okur
Ilgauskas
Wade
Webber
Arroyo
T. Allen
R. Patterson

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Not trying to come across as rude here guys, but "rate my team" questions really suck. Basically we're going to say that you're strong at the positions you drafted early and weak at the positions you waited on. More specific questions about general players would produce much better discussion imo. There are definitely a lot more experienced fantasy players on here than me, but I'd be happy to help with any more specific questions.

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I agree that we don't wanna see everyone just post their roster, but I disagree with your other point as there are a lot of fantasy teams that absolutely suck past the first 3 players drafted.

EDIT: I just realized the last point is what you were complaining about, so I agree with you.

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wtf, small league? nice team if not. league settings?

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12 Team H2H Keep 4 league: FG%, FT%, 3PM, PTS, REB, AST, STL, BLK, TO

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well you're REALLY strong in Pts/Rebs/Ast/Blk/FG%. Really weak in FT%(largely due to shaq)/TO. Pretty weak in 3PTM and below average in Steals.

Depending on how often youre going to play shaq, give up on FT%, TO's are long gone. Make a decision about 3PTM/Stls and go from there.

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If i am basically losing TO every week, should i aim for someone like Like Larry Hughes who can help me in 3's and Steals and help in my strengths as well?

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Can someone post some general advice for rotisserie leagues?

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Dwight Howard is grossly overrated in fantasy. ... That said, he has a lot more value in a H2H league, so long as you're prepared for your draft, and don't spend the rest of the draft digging out of holes. If you're in a deep hole, then just forget about it.

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Okay so I'm in a H2H non-turnover league and here's how I'm thinking about it: he is a godlike rebounder, very good at FG% and blocks, and solid at points. Steals and assists are meh and 3PM=0, but that's the case for a lot of centers. All good so far, so FT% is the concern...but Howard is "very bad," not "historically abysmal."

So what if I have someone like Kobe shooting just as many FTs as Dwight, but at 88% with Dwight at 58%? That's 73% on a ton of attempts--how bad is that? I know it's not great, but couldn't I still win this category from time to time?

I understand the punting categories idea, but it seems to me that you can have Dwight Howard and still do okay in FT% if you happen to have someone else with an excellent percentage. And a lot of the studs qualify: Kobe, Arenas, Dirk, Nash. So in a non-turnover league, he strikes me as a pretty decent third-round pick.

Anything wrong with this argument?

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Each player has value based on what they contribute. A significant portion of Kobe's value is FT%. Now you're taking Kobe and wasting a huge portion of his value because DH makes it all for naught (and 72% for a team is really poor).

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Question....

can't you just take BPA and then make trades that are +EV for both managers to try and stack/ignore certain categories?

the whole "draft strategy" around your first couple of picks seems unnecessary IMO.

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Yeah, that's a different way to look at it...wasting Kobe as opposed to mitigating Howard. If 72% is really that bad, then Howard is less valuable than I thought.

I don't have a good idea of the distribution of FT%. I'm in a 12-team league with 14 players/team, 9 of which are active spots (PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, Util, Util). What would you expect the best team FT% to be? What would be an average FT%?

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can't you just take BPA and then make trades that are +EV for both managers to try and stack/ignore certain categories?

the whole "draft strategy" around your first couple of picks seems unnecessary IMO.

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You're right except that it's really hard to do trades early in the season, especially the inaugural season. People are universally in love with their teams and it's not until they are demonstrably weak in areas that they start to negotiate from a realistic framework.

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I don't have a good idea of the distribution of FT%. I'm in a 12-team league with 14 players/team, 9 of which are active spots (PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, Util, Util). What would you expect the best team FT% to be? What would be an average FT%?



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In our very deep 16-team 12-starter league, the best team in the league is usually around 81%, the worst is around 71-72% and the average team is around 75%. The distribution is more weighted to the bottm because the really good FT% teams don't get there by accident. At least in our league, it's one of the categories frequently targeted because it works well with so many top players who also give you other things. 3%, for example, is much harder to target (though most leagues use 3M)

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rookie draft for keeper league/...

horford over oden??

22 and 12 in limited minutes for big al 2.0

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rookie draft for keeper league/...

horford over oden??

22 and 12 in limited minutes for big al 2.0

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This is going to be a tough decision for me depending who falls to #3. If Oden/Durant go do I take Horford or Yi? And if Oden falls do I want to have a possibly injury prone player on my roster? Rut roh for me...At least I sent out my offer to Torre to see if he wants to coach the Artful Dodgers.

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Each player has value based on what they contribute. A significant portion of Kobe's value is FT%. Now you're taking Kobe and wasting a huge portion of his value because DH makes it all for naught (and 72% for a team is really poor).

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Yeah, that's a different way to look at it...wasting Kobe as opposed to mitigating Howard. If 72% is really that bad, then Howard is less valuable than I thought.

I don't have a good idea of the distribution of FT%. I'm in a 12-team league with 14 players/team, 9 of which are active spots (PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, Util, Util). What would you expect the best team FT% to be? What would be an average FT%?



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Right. You can't throw away Howard's poor stats if you're going to end up compensating for them later. If you do throw out the categories, players like Kobe who have value in the categories you're throwing away become less valuable (i.e. Kobe w/o his value as a FT shooter)

In my 12-team league with your settings, the worst FT shooting team last year was .742, the best FT shooting team was .799. The average of all 12 teams was .769.

A great way to have a ton of value on your H2H team is to throw away a category or two. If you were to toss FT% and TO, you could realistically end up with Lebron in the first, Duncan in the second, Howard in the third, maybe Shaq later? and have a great team.

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rookie draft for keeper league/...

horford over oden??

22 and 12 in limited minutes for big al 2.0

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This is going to be a tough decision for me depending who falls to #3. If Oden/Durant go do I take Horford or Yi? And if Oden falls do I want to have a possibly injury prone player on my roster? Rut roh for me...At least I sent out my offer to Torre to see if he wants to coach the Artful Dodgers.

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wtf yi is terrible.

playing behind bogut and villanueva, possibly other/better players.

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Dwight Howard is grossly overrated in fantasy. ... That said, he has a lot more value in a H2H league, so long as you're prepared for your draft, and don't spend the rest of the draft digging out of holes. If you're in a deep hole, then just forget about it.

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Okay so I'm in a H2H non-turnover league and here's how I'm thinking about it: he is a godlike rebounder, very good at FG% and blocks, and solid at points. Steals and assists are meh and 3PM=0, but that's the case for a lot of centers. All good so far, so FT% is the concern...but Howard is "very bad," not "historically abysmal."

So what if I have someone like Kobe shooting just as many FTs as Dwight, but at 88% with Dwight at 58%? That's 73% on a ton of attempts--how bad is that? I know it's not great, but couldn't I still win this category from time to time?

I understand the punting categories idea, but it seems to me that you can have Dwight Howard and still do okay in FT% if you happen to have someone else with an excellent percentage. And a lot of the studs qualify: Kobe, Arenas, Dirk, Nash. So in a non-turnover league, he strikes me as a pretty decent third-round pick.

Anything wrong with this argument?

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How exactly are you planning on geting another stud and Howard? And yes you still could win it occassionally, but that still doesn't mean its a good thing. Your league not counting TOs does indeed help Howard's value.

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rookie draft for keeper league/...

horford over oden??

22 and 12 in limited minutes for big al 2.0

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This is going to be a tough decision for me depending who falls to #3. If Oden/Durant go do I take Horford or Yi? And if Oden falls do I want to have a possibly injury prone player on my roster? Rut roh for me...At least I sent out my offer to Torre to see if he wants to coach the Artful Dodgers.

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1. Durant
2. Oden
3. Horfort

and I don't think any spot is really that close.

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wtf yi is terrible.

playing behind bogut and villanueva, possibly other/better players.

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Didn't Krystkowiak only say that stuff to make sure their was competition in camp? Still a few days for me to straighten things out, but either way a big man has to fall to me in the rookie draft.

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Each player has value based on what they contribute. A significant portion of Kobe's value is FT%. Now you're taking Kobe and wasting a huge portion of his value because DH makes it all for naught (and 72% for a team is really poor).

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Yeah, that's a different way to look at it...wasting Kobe as opposed to mitigating Howard. If 72% is really that bad, then Howard is less valuable than I thought.

I don't have a good idea of the distribution of FT%. I'm in a 12-team league with 14 players/team, 9 of which are active spots (PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, Util, Util). What would you expect the best team FT% to be? What would be an average FT%?



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Right. You can't throw away Howard's poor stats if you're going to end up compensating for them later. If you do throw out the categories, players like Kobe who have value in the categories you're throwing away become less valuable (i.e. Kobe w/o his value as a FT shooter)

In my 12-team league with your settings, the worst FT shooting team last year was .742, the best FT shooting team was .799. The average of all 12 teams was .769.

A great way to have a ton of value on your H2H team is to throw away a category or two. If you were to toss FT% and TO, you could realistically end up with Lebron in the first, Duncan in the second, Howard in the third, maybe Shaq later? and have a great team.

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I very much doubt Howard will lsat that long.

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rookie draft for keeper league/...

horford over oden??

22 and 12 in limited minutes for big al 2.0

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This is going to be a tough decision for me depending who falls to #3. If Oden/Durant go do I take Horford or Yi? And if Oden falls do I want to have a possibly injury prone player on my roster? Rut roh for me...At least I sent out my offer to Torre to see if he wants to coach the Artful Dodgers.

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1. Durant
2. Oden
3. Horfort

and I don't think any spot is really that close.

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My attempts to stir up controversy and lead to "WTFS???" is failing miserably.

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rookie draft for keeper league/...

horford over oden??

22 and 12 in limited minutes for big al 2.0

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This is going to be a tough decision for me depending who falls to #3. If Oden/Durant go do I take Horford or Yi? And if Oden falls do I want to have a possibly injury prone player on my roster? Rut roh for me...At least I sent out my offer to Torre to see if he wants to coach the Artful Dodgers.

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1. Durant
2. Oden
3. Horfort

and I don't think any spot is really that close.

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My attempts to stir up controversy and lead to "WTFS???" is failing miserably.

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I'll stir up some....

I bet you can't guess who is going to go #1 overall(unless someone takes me up on my trade offer).

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Nik Caner-Medley?

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I very much doubt Howard will lsat that long.

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Yahoo has him ranked 46th. Last year he provided per-game value in the 80-90th range (with FT% weighted per attempts). I've had 3 drafts and seen him gone 38th, 26th, 39th, in 9 category leagues of varying depth (14 team, 20 team, 12 team). It was an example, regardless, and even if Howard isn't there, find similar players who get great boosts from their value when TO/FT% are ignored (Okafor, Baron Davis, Jermaine, etc.)

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weirdly in my competitive 12 team league dwight howard is DEFINATELY going first round. (likely 10th)

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I doubt Howard is getting picked before the third round in my Yahoo league. As was mentioned, he is ranked 45th on their default autodraft rankings, and I think a lot of my opponents are using those rankings as a guide.

I pick 1.4 and am almost positive Howard will be there at 2.21. I was thinking about taking him at 3.28 but that FT% is just so awful and I'll probably get Arenas or Kobe in round 1 so I don't want to throw the FT% away.