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dont remember what daniels potodds were and dont remember exactly what cards where diamonds but this seems like a reasonable range if daniel raised(maybe reraise TT mabe not but that doesnt cange much i dont get why he put her squarely on QJdd, k not T7s but):

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

14,850 games 0.005 secs 2,970,000 games/sec

Board: Kd Tc 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.630% 25.52% 00.11% 3790 16.00 { KhQh }
Hand 1: 74.370% 74.26% 00.11% 11028 16.00 { TT, 77, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, KTs, QdJd, Jd9d, T7s, 9d8d }


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Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

and the show sucks btw. just retarded gambking.

i mean i like elezra and im sure he could play good if he actually tried but he just splashes around.



i mean this season its just seriously bad play.


would be nic to see antonius or jman sit down and just stack someone for half a million.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

What possessed the producers of this show to think that we are going to be more entertained by mindless gambling than sophisticated poker?

For Season 5, please have at least one day of taping where it is just top players at the table (Antonius, Ivey, Townsend, Esfandiari, etc).

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

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- And finally: LOL at Gabe saying that "all the players at this table would know that a suited hand makes a flush more than unsuited". (For those who don't know, Phil Hellmuth once lost 10K prop betting that the opposite was the case with AKo vs AKs).

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But you can make two flushes with AKo??

Gabe has been leveling these players all season.. love it

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I don't think leveling means what you think it means, the players can't hear Gabe.

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

14,850 games 0.005 secs 2,970,000 games/sec

Board: Kd Tc 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.630% 25.52% 00.11% 3790 16.00 { KhQh }
Hand 1: 74.370% 74.26% 00.11% 11028 16.00 { TT, 77, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, KTs, QdJd, Jd9d, T7s, 9d8d }
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I think this is the most reasonable range so far. I agree that previous replies with Adxd in the range are way too loose. Jennifer is really tight and I don't think she'd raise with two pair, a set, or a combo draw.

I also don't get how daniel did this.

Flop (13k)
Daniel bets 8k
Jen raises to 32k, and has ~35k behind.

So to Daniel, he has to think that with his bet, there's 21k in the pot and he's either all in or fold, so the total pot is 21 + 32 + 35 = 88. And it's 67k for him to call, so he's getting 88:67 or 1.3:1. So he needs about 43% equity. Against an LAG or maybe even an unknown, this is a possible call. But against Jennifer?

I like Daniel, but his play here is simply unexplainable.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

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(For those who don't know, Phil Hellmuth once lost 10K prop betting that the opposite was the case with AKo vs AKs).

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He explained on the Premier League SNG series (UK) that he thought he was set up. Devilfish was making fun of him for losing 10K for thinking something so stupid. So he told a story that shortly before making this bet, he had had a conversation with a guy who said he ran a "computer simulation" (what is this, 1987?) with those hands, and AKo came out a slight favorite, and he was convinced. I guess he's claiming that he's never used a hand calculator online (like at cardplayer.com, who he writes for), otherwise, why give credit to some guy who claims to have run a simulation?

He said he thinks the person he ended up betting with later on was in on it with the computer simulation guy to set him up.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

Didn't read the thread since I am in the middle of the show, but....

How stupid can that Daniel Negreanu be? "Heyyyy Jamie Gold, I can totally tell when you are bluffing! Don't try to bluff me, cause I have a perfect read on you!"

Surprisingly he did not explain to Gold what the tells are.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

Man Jamie Gold just wastes sooo much value, how can u not value bet hands with his image.. Betting 2nd pair with his image is profitable and he isnt even betting 2 pair??

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

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Devilfish was making fun of him for losing 10K for thinking something so stupid. So he told a story that shortly before making this bet, he had had a conversation with a guy who said he ran a "computer simulation" (what is this, 1987?)

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Yes, probably.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

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I gotta say I agree here, I really feel that Gold has potential, and you nailed it, he really seems to be the only guy trying to play good poker. I was watching this episode, and at one point I just looked at the hands on the left side of the screen and there were like 5 ppl in a raised pot with Q2s and 34o hands, and I was thinking like, why do I even watch this show? If they televised a table of newbie play money players playing live, the way hands were played would look pretty much like this lineup plays them. Bring back the first lineup from this season already, that was a great, great show. This episode was utter garbage, just unentertaining, boring stuff. I didn't think it could get any worse than watching 3 minutes of Hellmuth talking about insurance a few episodes ago, but it did.

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arrrggghh... great poker players play great after the flop!!! those preflop requirements you people are holding so dear are guidelines for the novices to keep themselves from getting burnt. it's disgusting how internet players rule the poker world.

this is how poker is. that i keep reading posters here criticizing pre-flop holdings and thinking that this is some off the wall portrayal of poker is just senseless.

i'll say it again. great players play poker after the flop. great players play poker after the flop. get it .. got it... good.

now stop trying to judge and condemn the play of these people and just watch and learn.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

i think this guy is the new mccutter...nearly all of his posts are trying to defend live players from the "disgusting" online player

edges arent that big that playing Q2s is profitable.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

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He said he thinks the person he ended up betting with later on was in on it with the computer simulation guy to set him up.

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So what, if I get Stephen Hawking to convince you that 2+2=5 and then fleece you for $10K, you're still a moran. Poker is his job.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

Even though he didn't take insurance yet, why exactly does Hellmuth do it? It's very clearly a bad bet and we know Hellmuth's net worth is in the hundreds of millions, he's one of the best in the world and can easily rebuild, why is he concerned about losing 100k?

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

i had to stop watching cuz jamie gold was pissing me off too much.

good luck with being the best bluffer in the world..

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

Did anyone else notice Kaplan making a big deal out of Jamie Gold's comment in the AJ (Sammy) vs. 88 (Jamie) vs. 43s (Daniel) hand? Almost everyone at the table was speculating about what Sammy and Daniel might have when Daniel was considering calling the all in. After Gold had folded, he said something about not being able to say what his hand was. AJ and Gabe both seemed to find this hilarious. Since everyone was talking about what people might have, they apparently couldn't understand why Gold would say that. Certainly someone who has been around the game as long as Kaplan should no that you NEVER say anything about what cards you held while the hand is still in progress. Gold knows what he had. Everything he says about someone else's hand is an educated guess and purely speculative. I just found it humorous because it came across like Kaplan believed guessing someone else's cards is just as taboo as discussing your own two cards. Not quite.

For what it's worth, I do believe the speculating that takes place during hands has gotten completely out of control. People need to shut the [censored] up about what the players might have during the hand. Period.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

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edges arent that big that playing Q2s is profitable.

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you mean to tell me that you've never been in that situation. where gold screwed up was that he didn't raise the flop. on top of that opening his mouth asking farha what is kicker was ... wow.. another awful blunder. did he really think sammy was going to slow down. sammy's stuck 200+. there's no way that gold wasn't seeing a bet on the turn. if you have any experience at all you know that the smooth call on the flop was a mistake. your best play there is to raise. otherwise you're left with a fold or all in on the turn. jamie knew that... he chose to fold.

keeping his mouth shut was his best chance of getting a check out of sammy on the turn. otherwise he should have been betting.

there are great players online. yet it seems that preflop holdings are the major discussion amongst the masses of online players.. that's my point.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

Heres something funny to think about....what players out of last eps. lineup would have folded Daniel's hand in same position etc.

I say Hellmuth and Gold. I think Baxter, Eli, would end up calling and Farha and Safai would be in the pot immediately.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

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I feel for Jennifer, that could have been me: never ever playing a hand, finally you get your money in good and lose anyway. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Then she folded half-way through the next hand she played, got up from the table and ran away. Could be that she had to take a piss, but I thought I could see her start to cry.

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I feel for Jennifer, that could have been me: never ever playing a hand, finally you get your money in good and lose anyway. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Then she folded half-way through the next hand she played, got up from the table and ran away. Could be that she had to take a piss, but I thought I could see her start to cry.

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She looked more pissed off at her recent luck to me. She definitely left in a hurry.

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I feel for Jennifer, that could have been me: never ever playing a hand, finally you get your money in good and lose anyway. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Then she folded half-way through the next hand she played, got up from the table and ran away. Could be that she had to take a piss, but I thought I could see her start to cry.

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Yeah, it definitely looked like she wanted to walk the tilt off in a hurry. Is it an example of emotional swings due to hormones she's taking that Barry is talking about in his review of her?

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why are all of you guys such pussy's? who gives a fu(k if she's gonna cry? It's poker and may the best MAN win!!

[censored]'S!!!

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Feel free to throw yourself into traffic at your earliest convenience.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

daniel's push vs jen was terrible.

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How stupid can that Daniel Negreanu be? "Heyyyy Jamie Gold, I can totally tell when you are bluffing! Don't try to bluff me, cause I have a perfect read on you!"

Surprisingly he did not explain to Gold what the tells are.

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didn't jen say she'd tell jamie after the taping? i mean, what's that about? both her and daniel know when the guy is bluffing and they want to wise him up as to what his tells are? whatever happened to never giving a sucker an even break?

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

I think you mean Todd, and he's just pissed at himself for losing her.

His fat ass will never have a quality piece of tail like Jennifer again. Even Kathy Leiber would tell Todd to shove off.

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why are all of you guys such pussy's? who gives a fu(k if she's gonna cry? It's poker and may the best MAN win!!

QUEER'S!!!

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Spoken like a true internet perma-virgin.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

You guys are nuts if you think TT or even 77 is in Jen's limping range in that spot. There were two straddles and a limper, she's not going to let all that dead money into the pot no matter how nitty you think she's playing (and her major problem is that she hasn't had any hands). KTo I can buy, but you should probably include a few KJ hands as well as by the time Daniel bets the flop the pot is a third of her stack and it would be completely reasonable to attack him with KJ, particularly as you nits want him to fold KQ and its virtually impossible for him to have a better hand than that. The idea that she wouldn't attack him with the nut flush draw when the pot is a third of her stack is laughable.

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You guys are nuts if you think TT or even 77 is in Jen's limping range in that spot. There were two straddles and a limper, she's not going to let all that dead money into the pot no matter how nitty you think she's playing (and her major problem is that she hasn't had any hands). KTo I can buy, but you should probably include a few KJ hands as well as by the time Daniel bets the flop the pot is a third of her stack and it would be completely reasonable to attack him with KJ, particularly as you nits want him to fold KQ and its virtually impossible for him to have a better hand than that. The idea that she wouldn't attack him with the nut flush draw when the pot is a third of her stack is laughable.

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lol, watching Jen's holecards for 4 seasons has given me the impression she is definitely willing to limp 77 in this spot.

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I think you mean Todd, and he's just pissed at himself for losing her.

His fat ass will never have a quality piece of tail like Jennifer again. Even Kathy Leiber would tell Todd to shove off.

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I take it you've never seen Todd Brunson's wife.

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

for people who like to act like they know what theyre talking about, a lot of you guys seldom know what youre talking about:

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There was like 9k or something in the pot when it got to Jenn

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not even close. it was 2400 to go plus the 100 ante. five players called (i think maybe one folded), so thats $12,500. daniel bets $8,000. so its $20,500. man im good at math.

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And it's 67k for him to call

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you have to subtract daniels bet of $8,000. he doesnt have to call $8,000 again. so when daniel goes all in (he didnt call), it was a total of about $59,000 more. so it was about $59,000 to win $88,000, or about 2:3. again, i am phenomenal at math. so if she has what he thinks she has, its the right move. turned out he was more like 3:7, so it wasnt good, but not terrible.

plus he might have been feeling lucky (which is not to be understated).

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

Daniel's vegan/vegetarian rant at the cocktail lady was.. awkward.

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I think you mean Todd, and he's just pissed at himself for losing her.

His fat ass will never have a quality piece of tail like Jennifer again. Even Kathy Leiber would tell Todd to shove off.

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I take it you've never seen Todd Brunson's wife.

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she is starting to show her age, but definitely way better than one would expect. She looked real good a few years ago

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for people who like to act like they know what theyre talking about, a lot of you guys seldom know what youre talking about:

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There was like 9k or something in the pot when it got to Jenn

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not even close. it was 2400 to go plus the 100 ante. five players called (i think maybe one folded), so thats $12,500. daniel bets $8,000. so its $20,500. man im good at math.


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I'm gonna take a wild guess and say he's talking about her preflop call, when there was 7600 in the pot when it came to her action. Good thing we've got someone who knows what they're talking about.

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"lets do this [censored], i got somewhere to go" - Bob Safai (true holla balla)

if i ever make it to HSP, i hope to make it as a businessman, not a professional player. these mofos are awesome. did you even hear eli talk about HSP stakes, "we like to straddle cause otherwise the game'll be too small, i want to see 30k flop bets", incredible.

if i ever come across 20 mill+, i too would stink up HSP, i would 3bet preflop w/ the dirtiest hands ever, stack some nit, laugh it up. it'll probably cost me a couple reloads to do it but who cares, it's 20 hands an hr, you're sitting w/ millions in the bank, and you probably only get to play once or twice a week. the filthy rich owns.

btw, how much does eli has?

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I think you mean Todd, and he's just pissed at himself for losing her.

His fat ass will never have a quality piece of tail like Jennifer again. Even Kathy Leiber would tell Todd to shove off.

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I take it you've never seen Todd Brunson's wife.

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she is starting to show her age, but definitely way better than one would expect. She looked real good a few years ago

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Rich guys with good looking wives? No, get outta here!

(are we being leveled?)

Re: High Stakes Poker thread (10/1) (Spoilers?)
 

also lol@ at negreanu taking 5 mins to fold 3h4h to an all-in on a 10JJ3 board. icing on the cake was when kaplan yells out "NICE LAYDOWN BY DANIEL NEGREANU". maybe kaplan was leveling me w/ that remark, probably wanted to say "hurry the [censored] up and throw ur 3s away daniel".

then daniel compliments gold for calling out his 3h4h and gold was like a deer caught in a highlight "huh, really, 3h4h? what 3h4h?".

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I think you mean Todd, and he's just pissed at himself for losing her.

His fat ass will never have a quality piece of tail like Jennifer again. Even Kathy Leiber would tell Todd to shove off.

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I take it you've never seen Todd Brunson's wife.

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Dunno if it was his wife or what, but I saw Todd with a smoking hot chick @ the red rock poker room 1.5 weeks ago, so this guy clearly has no idea what he's talking about - big surprise.

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Dunno if it was his wife or what, but I saw Todd with a smoking hot chick @ the red rock poker room 1.5 weeks ago, so this guy clearly has no idea what he's talking about - big surprise.

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It's cool, no big deal. Im a model knows what he's talking about, so we're covered. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I agree that the talking during a decision is totally out of control. I mean, there's blatant speculation and commentary about how people play specific types of hands. That said, if somebody doesn't like it, they can just say "Hey, can you guys please not talk about the hand while I'm in it?" and their wishes would almost certainly be respected. I do like the chatter between hands a lot.

LOL at ChrisV's summary of next week's episode.

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for people who like to act like they know what theyre talking about, a lot of you guys seldom know what youre talking about:

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There was like 9k or something in the pot when it got to Jenn

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not even close. it was 2400 to go plus the 100 ante. five players called (i think maybe one folded), so thats $12,500. daniel bets $8,000. so its $20,500. man im good at math.


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I'm gonna take a wild guess and say he's talking about her preflop call, when there was 7600 in the pot when it came to her action. Good thing we've got someone who knows what they're talking about.

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youre right, clown, you are taking a wild guess. did you even read his post? dont bother looking for it, because im quoting it right here:

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I agree with Barry that Daniel played this hand pretty horrible. There was like 9k or something in the pot when it got to Jenn and she was like "okay, I'm the biggest nit on this show and I wanna play a 150k pot, kay?" and he was like "I got top pair and I will put you on a hand I am coinflipping with so I can call kay?". God forbid he should fold there and she does have JQs and he's like "omg, I lost like 4k in equity by folding in this pot!".

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does that sound like preflop to you? no. it doesnt. in your face. i win. oh, man. IN YOUR FACE! now who is pretending to know what theyre talking about? you are the pretender. HEY EVERYONE CHECK OUT THIS GUY DROMAR! HE TRIES TO ACT SMART BUT HE IS JUST A BIG FAT PHONY! DROMAR IS A BIG FAT PHONY AND I DOMINATE HIM. IN YOUR FACE, DUURRRRRRRRRRROMAR. IN YOUR FACE!

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HEY EVERYONE CHECK OUT THIS GUY DROMAR! HE TRIES TO ACT SMART BUT HE IS JUST A BIG FAT PHONY! DROMAR IS A BIG FAT PHONY AND I DOMINATE HIM. IN YOUR FACE, DUURRRRRRRRRRROMAR. IN YOUR FACE!

holy [censored], that's some jamie gold ownage right there.

jamie gold ownage: when an idiot destroys someone more idiotic than him.

j/k