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I was 14. And I didn't try to watch it alone.

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circle jerk ftw?

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I was 14. And I didn't try to watch it alone.

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circle jerk ftw?

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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey......

Who said it was a dude? And who said he wasn't there just for moral support? Or as a lookout for my dad because we had carpet and you could never hear him coming because he wore these slippers and I would have gotten grounded for a month....

or it was a circle jerk.

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So I'm not the only one who watched the scrambled spice channel when I was 13? Awesome.

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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey........

I was 14. And I didn't try to watch it alone.

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I don't even know what to say, but my dignity demands some sort of response....um.....Did you see the girl with the snake in HBO's real sex 6? She was HOT......

Re: I feign weakness...oh wait
 

Uh, I think maybe the better question would be did I spank it to the snake chick in real sex 6 less than ten times?

Of course not. Now that you mention it, I"m going to the video store.

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The first thing we watched in that vein was called ON TV which I believe was the forerunner to HBO(?) They had some soft porn on like Thursday nights so my buds in I would watch Monty Python if it was on, Hill Street Blues and then some soft core junk late at night. CULTURE! God I am feeling old now. Hill Street Blues, English humor, early cable porn,checks? What's next, Poker Diapers so I can play long sessions?

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Hill Street Blues

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Jesus. How old are you? Wasn't that show in black and white?

Re: I feign weakness...oh wait
 

HAND OF THE [censored] DAY

GOOD CALLDOWN SIR GOOD [censored] CALLDOWN

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, SB calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has 9d Qh (one pair, fours).
CO has Kd Ah (two pair, kings and fours).
Outcome: CO wins 14 BB. </font>


WHY ARE YOU BETTING THE FLOP STRICTLY THAT'S WHY YOU'RE STUCK 14,000,000 BETS

Re: I feign weakness...oh wait
 

Well let's say my first car had wooden wheels. Son I'm old enough to be your grand dad!

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HAND OF THE [censored] DAY

GOOD CALLDOWN SIR GOOD [censored] CALLDOWN

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, SB calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has 9d Qh (one pair, fours).
CO has Kd Ah (two pair, kings and fours).
Outcome: CO wins 14 BB. </font>


WHY ARE YOU BETTING THE FLOP STRICTLY THAT'S WHY YOU'RE STUCK 14,000,000 BETS

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dude, c/r the flop all day and all night.

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So where and what is everyone playing this weekend?

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I'm on vacation in DC, chilling with friends from college. They do not gambool much, so I'll be on ice til Tuesday.

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So where and what is everyone playing this weekend?

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prob playing 15 at hollywood park later tonight, and saturday.
I might head out to Hawaiian gardens instead though, because the food is better, and they don't charge 2 bucks.
WHAT PART OF FREE DO YOU BASTARDS NOT UNDERSTAND!!!?

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2/5 NL at the indian casino, YEEEHAAAA!

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Last night. 8/16 hand. Old man on my imm left has been playing any two cards just as long as they were somewhat rectangular in shape. I open UTG with AKs, ole man calls, someone 3's, I cap. 5-6 to the flop of AK5. Checked to me and I lead the whole way, old man calls me down the whole way. Showdown I table my top 2, put a chip on the cards as a tip and start sliding them to the dealer before ole one even shows his hand. Ole man shows A3o and says, "I thought you had me outkicked there. Nice Hand". I say "Thank you(I think)".

Wow!!!!! I have hardly played a hand in 30 minutes, raise UTG, I cap PF UTG and he calls me down with this flop.

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nothing annoys me more than a nitty casino/cardroom.

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Wouldn't one think that dealers who deal poker all day or night and seen 1,000s of hands become fairly good players? Tis' not the case where I play at least with the female dealers. Not to come off as sexist, but I have played with several after or in between their shifts all the time and they are not good. Haven't seen any male dealers playing but just females.

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Wouldn't one think that dealers who deal poker all day or night and seen 1,000s of hands become fairly good players? Tis' not the case where I play at least with the female dealers. Not to come off as sexist, but I have played with several after or in between their shifts all the time and they are not good. Haven't seen any male dealers playing but just females.

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i've played with a ton of dealers in the past. i've actually noticed a difference between the male and femaler dealers. most of the female dealers i've played with are there to have a good time, they suck, they know they suck and they embrace it. the opposite is generally true for the male dealers. they suck, they don't know they suck, and they are in complete denial about their suckitude.

these are the same dealers that will be dealing a hand(or when a hand is over)and make smug comments about the play of a particular hand even though they have little real idea about proper strategy.

one thing about them, they see alot of the crazy plays i make/try to make, and so when we're in a hand together i get looked up alot due to skepticism because of my table image. i've also run into their trying to make a big play/bluff against me(particularly NL) so they can brag about it to the other regs/dealers. f'ers.

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Good analogy about the dealers.

This one hand the other day I flopped a low set of something and I kept betting and reraising etc. There was a 2 flush out on the board. I bet the river and some guy rivers a str8 on me. I end up mucking after he shows down his str8. The Dealer had no idea what I had mucked. He looked at me and asked "diamond flush draw"? A 3rd diamond never did hit on the end. I look at him strangely but I said nothing to him. Why would I bet a flush draw when it doesn't come in a multi way pot? Guess the hand reading virus was going around. Wasn't obvious to anyone what I was betting cause someone else asked me if I had Aces. I had limped in with my small PP. No Ace on the board.

Re: lol bet/foldaments
 

ok so I played for two days this weekend and managed to set a personal record for number of bet/folds accomplished (probably around 15) and a new low for % wins with KK (1/7).
it was funny as I only took the KK to showdown twice (won once). 5 times i folded the turn or river (ace on board a few times, trips on the other times). lol and no they were never good.

given that, still managed to book 10 BB wins both days.

Also never even went on tilt. I think this is something thats changed a lot from my younger days. If i ran like this a year ago, I would have easily donked off 50 BB before steaming out the cardroom. Not tilting has got to be one of the most +EV moves you can make.

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ok so I played for two days this weekend and managed to set a personal record for number of bet/folds accomplished (probably around 15) and a new low for % wins with KK (1/7).
it was funny as I only took the KK to showdown twice (won once). 5 times i folded the turn or river (ace on board a few times, trips on the other times). lol and no they were never good.

given that, still managed to book 10 BB wins both days.

Also never even went on tilt. I think this is something thats changed a lot from my younger days. If i ran like this a year ago, I would have easily donked off 50 BB before steaming out the cardroom. Not tilting has got to be one of the most +EV moves you can make.

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Teach me. I'm such a tilt monster.

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for me, it's really simple. i see poker as a series of moves that are either profitable or unprofitable. each decision (or sometimes a series of decisions) either makes money or doesnt. i have a really cold, analytical approach to the game, and pretty much always try to keep my emotions of it.

somehow, i usually do this without coming off as a douchebag (i hope) to the table.

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Teach me. I'm such a tilt monster.

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for me, it's really simple. i see poker as a series of moves that are either profitable or unprofitable. each decision (or sometimes a series of decisions) either makes money or doesnt. i have a really cold, analytical approach to the game, and pretty much always try to keep my emotions of it.

somehow, i usually do this without coming off as a douchebag (i hope) to the table.

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If you're willing to continue engaging me on this concept I think it could be of great value to the forum.

I see the game largely the same way. I think of poker as one decision at a time, and each decision needs to have positive long term expectation. I'm not much of a math guy, but through experience and past study I can approximate my decisions. I'm analytical but not in mathematical way because I'm simply not capable of the higher level stats. My difficulty comes in keeping my emotions out of it.

Generally what happens in a session is this. The first few beats don't bother me. I literally laugh them off; it doesn't affect me or how I play, I believe. Then I take one more and start to get a little uncomfortable. Then I take one more and that's it, the wheels have come off. I get up and leave then, of course, but I didn't used to.

I feel that I should have more control over my emotions than this. Getting up and leaving after taking 5 or 6 [censored] beats just should not affect me that much. What I have been in search of is a way to control my emotions, not a new way to fundamentally view the game.

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I feel that I should have more control over my emotions than this. Getting up and leaving after taking 5 or 6 [censored] beats just should not affect me that much. What I have been in search of is a way to control my emotions, not a new way to fundamentally view the game.

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im not sure if this answers your question or not. sorry if it doesnt.

how often are you going to showdown? serious question. if you're constantly seeing that your outdrawn, there is a high probability that you are paying off too much.

common wisdom says that folding the winner can put you on tilt. maybe so, but constantly paying off when its clear you're beaten isnt going to contribute to your emotional state, either. frankly, when you pay off the passives over and over again, the doubts and frustrations may start piling up. you start questioning your skill, your luck, everything, and blam, tilt.

dont pay off the passives. make the right play every time and know you're making the right play (this often implies folding), and make it wrong for the fish to even bother to chase you down when you give them no implied odds. dont take too much time with your folding decisions, either, otherwise people might start to take shots at you and leave you in a tough spot.

heres a hand from yesterday.


5 limpers to me, I raise black kings in the BB. all call.

flop is 844 two spades. SB checks, I bet, everyone calls, SB CR's, I tank for a moment and 3 bet. as soon as I 3 bet I have a plan for the turn. a few folds but most call, like 4 to the turn. I already know that a 4 might be out there, as well as a flush draw. at this point my plan is to bet/fold all non K, non-4 turn cards.

Turn red ace. SB checks, I bet, 1 caller, a passive limper now raises, SB folds, and I fold in a nanosecond.


is this advice dangerous? sure. if you bet/fold too much you're gonna be folding winners. you cant do this vs everyone. sometimes even though you're behind you have to see the river. sometimes against a tricky player you gotta ust buckle up and showdown your hand. just know your making the right play vs your opponents hand range.

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Sure, I see where you're coming from. I'm folding the hand in your response too. I am probably going to showdown too much in my own play, fwiw, but I doubt that it is excessive. It's hard to quantify with only live play, though. And a lot of the beats that do tilt me are after I have folded my hand. I am going to work on that, though.

I'm not sure what I expected you to say. I think that perhaps I just have to recognize my limitations and play within myself. If I get tilty after taking a certain kind or certain number of beats maybe I should just recognize that as part of me as a player and run away from Canterbury as fast as possible (which wouldn't be very fast, but you see my point). It's possible if I don't stay at the table when I'm emotionally screwed up and focus on my decisions this will be the sort of thing that gets better over time. It certainly has gotten better compared to a couple of years ago. I used to practically sit down on tilt, and it didn't help that I sucked and didn't realize it. When I look at myself a year ago I barely recognize that player as me, let alone the complete donktard I was two years ago. So there has been progress.

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This may be starting to sound like a HC instead of a LC thread. This may sound weird to some but I don't get up and take a break after a beat or a few bad ones. To me getting up from the table is showing everyone that it has gotten to me and I am steaming. Just a personal choice that I made regarding beats and tilt that I stick with. I am pretty even keeled emotionally speaking so it has never bugged me getting handed beats. I remind myself that without them we wouldn't be playing. It would be like playing chess instead of poker I guess.

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This may be starting to sound like a HC instead of a LC thread. This may sound weird to some but I don't get up and take a break after a beat or a few bad ones. To me getting up from the table is showing everyone that it has gotten to me and I am steaming. Just a personal choice that I made regarding beats and tilt that I stick with. I am pretty even keeled emotionally speaking so it has never bugged me getting handed beats. I remind myself that without them we wouldn't be playing. It would be like playing chess instead of poker I guess.

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I didn't mean to hijack the LC thread with important stuff. My apologies. I call shenanigans on myself.

I generally don't get up and walk off beats either. The first time I get up because of a beat is when I'm racking up and taking off.

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i feel wierd saying this because i recently posted a hand where i fold(albeit rarely) a good hand, but my gosh this forum's going crazy with wanting to make big laydowns. have you guys been reading mid and high stakes too much?

remember that along with the environment of the small stakes games, comes the small stakes players. these players make alot of different mistakes. these players put money in loosely and build big pots. these players(even the passive ones) are literally capable of all sorts of spastic postflop play.

the key to beating small stakes is build huge pots with an edge and drag your fair share(or more), not making the big laydowns. now there are exceptions to everything, and to an extent it depends on the exact games you are in(i.e. live players that are really passive make it easy to get a good read so i can see folding with more frequency) but in general you guys should be learning to make thinner value bets, not thinner value folds.

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i feel wierd saying this because i recently posted a hand where i fold(albeit rarely) a good hand, but my gosh this forum's going crazy with wanting to make big laydowns. have you guys been reading mid and high stakes too much?

remember that along with the environment of the small stakes games, comes the small stakes players. these players make alot of different mistakes. these players put money in loosely and build big pots. these players(even the passive ones) are literally capable of all sorts of spastic postflop play.

the key to beating small stakes is build huge pots with an edge and drag your fair share(or more), not making the big laydowns. now there are exceptions to everything, and to an extent it depends on the exact games you are in(i.e. live players that are really passive make it easy to get a good read so i can see folding with more frequency) but in general you guys should be learning to make thinner value bets, not thinner value folds.

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james i think i have to take "credit" for this with my absurd trip queens hand.

honestly tho, maybe its because i play 10/20, which i guess is right on the border of small/medium stakes. at this limit the postflop play isnt spastic like it is at smaller limits. plays make sense, and most people dont randomly do things for no reason. perhaps some of the logic in my posts doesnt apply to 2/4 and 4/8 games.

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Maybe this is why I feel more comfortable playing 8/16 than lower now [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. Less spazzy plays. James advice is good.

In other news, HAPPY FRICKIN Halloween YOU SCRUBS! Be safe.