Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

Schneids/bk,

Just because AP is run by a bunch of morons and probably needs your research to do anything doesn't mean you SHOULD do it.

Contact them and tell them what the problem is, put them on the right track, and if they don't solve the problem, well, that's AP for you.

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

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Has 2p2 been down for the past few hours?

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yes

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

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Has 2p2 been down for the past few hours?

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yes

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Are these two things related?

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

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Are these two things related?

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likely suspect:

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Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

On my flight I had time to look over 2 sessions I played with graycat. I haven't had the opportunity to look over them in entirety nor have I looked at any others yet. The first is from aug 5 and the second aug 30.

All I saw was completely retarded random play that didn't seem to be of any cheating nature. Since I wasn't able to look at the whole session it doesn't mean anything, but here are a bunch of seemingly normal hands. Also, I've experianced some very very weird stuff so I'm not saying it's not cheating, it just doesn't seem like he has forever and mb it just started later than aug 30.

Stage #726344038: HOLDEM NORMAL $150/$300 - 2007-08-05 02:22:52 (ET)
Table: CHESAPEAKE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - GRAYCAT ($19815 in chips)
Seat 5 - SCHDNFRD ($9193.06 in chips)
Seat 6 - DONKOFHOLDEM ($8151 in chips)
Seat 7 - CALVINHOBBES ($11403.50 in chips)
Seat 8 - CBBBBB ($5590 in chips)
Seat 1 - MAVERI9 ($23202 in chips)
SCHDNFRD - Posts small blind $100
DONKOFHOLDEM - Posts big blind $150
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to CBBBBB [7d 2h]
CALVINHOBBES - Raises $300 to $300
CBBBBB - Folds
MAVERI9 - Folds
GRAYCAT - Raises $450 to $450
SCHDNFRD - Folds
DONKOFHOLDEM - Folds
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $150
*** FLOP *** [Qh 5c 9d]
CALVINHOBBES - Checks
GRAYCAT - Bets $150
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $150
*** TURN *** [Qh 5c 9d] [Kh]
CALVINHOBBES - Checks
GRAYCAT - Bets $300
CALVINHOBBES - Raises $600 to $600
GRAYCAT - Calls $300
*** RIVER *** [Qh 5c 9d Kh] [4d]
CALVINHOBBES - Bets $300
GRAYCAT - Calls $300
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CALVINHOBBES - Shows [9c 9h] (Three of a kind, nines)
GRAYCAT - Shows [Qd 6d] (One pair, queens)
CALVINHOBBES Collects $3245 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3250) | Rake ($5)
Board [Qh 5c 9d Kh 4d]
Seat 1: MAVERI9 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: GRAYCAT (dealer) HI:lost with One pair, queens [Qd 6d - B:Qh,P:Qd,B:Kh,B:9d,P:6d]
Seat 5: SCHDNFRD (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: DONKOFHOLDEM (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: CALVINHOBBES won Total ($3245) HI:($3245) with Three of a kind, nines [9c 9h - P:9h,B:9d,P:9c,B:Kh,B:Qh]
Seat 8: CBBBBB Folded on the POCKET CARDS







Stage #726347383: HOLDEM NORMAL $150/$300 - 2007-08-05 02:28:18 (ET)
Table: CHESAPEAKE (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - MAVERI9 ($24042 in chips)
Seat 4 - GRAYCAT ($18510 in chips)
Seat 5 - SCHDNFRD ($7943.06 in chips)
Seat 6 - DONKOFHOLDEM ($8001 in chips)
Seat 7 - CALVINHOBBES ($12498.50 in chips)
Seat 8 - CBBBBB ($6035 in chips)
Seat 9 - EJ_ ($2395 in chips)
GRAYCAT - Posts small blind $100
SCHDNFRD - Posts big blind $150
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to CBBBBB [6d 2d]
DONKOFHOLDEM - Folds
CALVINHOBBES - Raises $300 to $300
CBBBBB - Folds
EJ_ - Folds
MAVERI9 - Folds
GRAYCAT - Calls $200
SCHDNFRD - Calls $150
*** FLOP *** [Qd 4d 9d]
GRAYCAT - Checks
SCHDNFRD - Checks
CALVINHOBBES - Bets $150
GRAYCAT - Raises $300 to $300
SCHDNFRD - Folds
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $150
*** TURN *** [Qd 4d 9d] [Qs]
GRAYCAT - Bets $300
CALVINHOBBES - Raises $600 to $600
GRAYCAT - Calls $300
*** RIVER *** [Qd 4d 9d Qs] [4c]
GRAYCAT - Checks
CALVINHOBBES - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GRAYCAT - Shows [9s 2s] (Two Pair, queens and nines)
CALVINHOBBES - Shows [8d Ad] (Flush, ace high)
CALVINHOBBES Collects $2695 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2700) | Rake ($5)
Board [Qd 4d 9d Qs 4c]
Seat 1: MAVERI9 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: GRAYCAT (small blind) HI:lost with Two Pair, queens and nines [9s 2s - B:Qs,B:Qd,P:9s,B:9d,B:4d]
Seat 5: SCHDNFRD (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: DONKOFHOLDEM Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: CALVINHOBBES won Total ($2695) HI:($2695) with Flush, ace high [8d Ad - P:Ad,B:Qd,B:9d,P:8d,B:4d]
Seat 8: CBBBBB Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: EJ_ Folded on the POCKET CARDS







Stage #726348204: HOLDEM NORMAL $150/$300 - 2007-08-05 02:29:43 (ET)
Table: CHESAPEAKE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - SCHDNFRD ($7543.06 in chips)
Seat 6 - DONKOFHOLDEM ($7851 in chips)
Seat 7 - CALVINHOBBES ($13993.50 in chips)
Seat 8 - CBBBBB ($6035 in chips)
Seat 9 - EJ_ ($2395 in chips)
Seat 1 - MAVERI9 ($25187 in chips)
Seat 4 - GRAYCAT ($16410 in chips)
DONKOFHOLDEM - Posts small blind $100
CALVINHOBBES - Posts big blind $150
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to CBBBBB [9s Qc]
CBBBBB - Folds
EJ_ - Folds
MAVERI9 - Raises $300 to $300
GRAYCAT - Raises $450 to $450
SCHDNFRD - Folds
DONKOFHOLDEM - Folds
CALVINHOBBES - Folds
MAVERI9 - Calls $150
*** FLOP *** [10s 8s 8c]
MAVERI9 - Checks
GRAYCAT - Bets $150
MAVERI9 - Calls $150
*** TURN *** [10s 8s 8c] [6s]
MAVERI9 - Checks
GRAYCAT - Bets $300
MAVERI9 - Raises $600 to $600
GRAYCAT - Raises $600 to $900
MAVERI9 - Calls $300
*** RIVER *** [10s 8s 8c 6s] [4d]
MAVERI9 - Checks
GRAYCAT - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MAVERI9 - Shows [Ad 10d] (Two Pair, tens and eights)
GRAYCAT - Mucks
MAVERI9 Collects $3245 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3250) | Rake ($5)
Board [10s 8s 8c 6s 4d]
Seat 1: MAVERI9 won Total ($3245) HI:($3245) with Two Pair, tens and eights [Ad 10d - B:10s,P:10d,B:8s,B:8c,P:Ad]
Seat 4: GRAYCAT HI: [Mucked] [Jh Qd]
Seat 5: SCHDNFRD (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: DONKOFHOLDEM (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: CALVINHOBBES (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: CBBBBB Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: EJ_ Folded on the POCKET CARDS







Stage #726349625: HOLDEM NORMAL $150/$300 - 2007-08-05 02:32:11 (ET)
Table: CHESAPEAKE (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 9 - EJ_ ($2990 in chips)
Seat 1 - MAVERI9 ($26782 in chips)
Seat 4 - GRAYCAT ($14855 in chips)
Seat 5 - SCHDNFRD ($8838.06 in chips)
Seat 6 - DONKOFHOLDEM ($7751 in chips)
Seat 7 - CALVINHOBBES ($13443.50 in chips)
Seat 8 - CBBBBB ($4735 in chips)
MAVERI9 - Posts small blind $100
GRAYCAT - Posts big blind $150
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to CBBBBB [5c Ad]
SCHDNFRD - Folds
DONKOFHOLDEM - Folds
CALVINHOBBES - Raises $300 to $300
CBBBBB - Folds
EJ_ - Folds
MAVERI9 - Folds
GRAYCAT - Calls $150
*** FLOP *** [Ac 7d 6c]
GRAYCAT - Checks
CALVINHOBBES - Bets $150
GRAYCAT - Calls $150
*** TURN *** [Ac 7d 6c] [Ah]
GRAYCAT - Checks
CALVINHOBBES - Checks
*** RIVER *** [Ac 7d 6c Ah] [9c]
GRAYCAT - Bets $300
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $300
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GRAYCAT - Shows [7h 8s] (Two Pair, aces and sevens)
CALVINHOBBES - Shows [8c 9d] (Two Pair, aces and nines)
CALVINHOBBES Collects $1595 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1600) | Rake ($5)
Board [Ac 7d 6c Ah 9c]
Seat 1: MAVERI9 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: GRAYCAT (big blind) HI:lost with Two Pair, aces and sevens [7h 8s - B:Ah,B:Ac,P:7h,B:7d,B:9c]
Seat 5: SCHDNFRD Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: DONKOFHOLDEM Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: CALVINHOBBES won Total ($1595) HI:($1595) with Two Pair, aces and nines [8c 9d - B:Ah,B:Ac,P:9d,B:9c,P:8c]
Seat 8: CBBBBB Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: EJ_ (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS







Stage #726351791: HOLDEM NORMAL $150/$300 - 2007-08-05 02:35:58 (ET)
Table: CHESAPEAKE (Real Money) Seat #8 is the dealer
Seat 8 - CBBBBB ($4485 in chips)
Seat 9 - EJ_ ($4235 in chips)
Seat 1 - MAVERI9 ($26332 in chips)
Seat 2 - DELFINI ($2400 in chips)
Seat 4 - GRAYCAT ($13500 in chips)
Seat 5 - SCHDNFRD ($10033.06 in chips)
Seat 6 - DONKOFHOLDEM ($7501 in chips)
Seat 7 - CALVINHOBBES ($13888.50 in chips)
EJ_ - Posts small blind $100
MAVERI9 - Posts big blind $150
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to CBBBBB [Qd 4c]
DELFINI - Calls $150
GRAYCAT - Raises $300 to $300
SCHDNFRD - Raises $450 to $450
DONKOFHOLDEM - Folds
CALVINHOBBES - Folds
CBBBBB - Folds
EJ_ - Folds
MAVERI9 - Raises $450 to $600
DELFINI - Calls $450
GRAYCAT - Calls $300
SCHDNFRD - Calls $150
*** FLOP *** [8h Ac 9d]
MAVERI9 - Checks
DELFINI - Checks
GRAYCAT - Checks
SCHDNFRD - Bets $150
MAVERI9 - Calls $150
DELFINI - Calls $150
GRAYCAT - Raises $300 to $300
SCHDNFRD - Raises $300 to $450
MAVERI9 - Folds
DELFINI - Calls $300
GRAYCAT - Raises $300 to $600
SCHDNFRD - Calls $150
DELFINI - Calls $150
*** TURN *** [8h Ac 9d] [5s]
DELFINI - Checks
GRAYCAT - Checks
SCHDNFRD - Bets $300
DELFINI - Calls $300
GRAYCAT - Raises $600 to $600
SCHDNFRD - Calls $300
DELFINI - Calls $300
*** RIVER *** [8h Ac 9d 5s] [5h]
DELFINI - Checks
GRAYCAT - Checks
SCHDNFRD - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DELFINI - Shows [7d 10d] (One pair, fives)
GRAYCAT - Shows [Js 7c] (One pair, fives)
SCHDNFRD - Shows [Qh Ad] (Two Pair, aces and fives)
SCHDNFRD Collects $6245 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($6250) | Rake ($5)
Board [8h Ac 9d 5s 5h]
Seat 1: MAVERI9 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 2: DELFINI HI:lost with One pair, fives [7d 10d - B:5s,B:5h,B:Ac,P:10d,B:9d]
Seat 4: GRAYCAT HI:lost with One pair, fives [Js 7c - B:5s,B:5h,B:Ac,P:Js,B:9d]
Seat 5: SCHDNFRD won Total ($6245) HI:($6245) with Two Pair, aces and fives [Qh Ad - P:Ad,B:Ac,B:5s,B:5h,P:Qh]
Seat 6: DONKOFHOLDEM Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: CALVINHOBBES Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: CBBBBB (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: EJ_ (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS







Stage #748850902: HOLDEM NORMAL $200/$400 - 2007-08-30 15:12:04 (ET)
Table: AGUSTA AVE (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - GRAYCAT ($16095 in chips)
Seat 4 - CBBBBB ($9600 in chips)
Seat 5 - STAYINSCHOOL ($2300 in chips)
CBBBBB - Posts small blind $100
STAYINSCHOOL - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to CBBBBB [Qd 9c]
GRAYCAT - Raises $400 to $400
CBBBBB - Folds
STAYINSCHOOL - Calls $200
*** FLOP *** [Kd 4h 7d]
STAYINSCHOOL - Checks
GRAYCAT - Bets $200
STAYINSCHOOL - Raises $400 to $400
GRAYCAT - Calls $200
*** TURN *** [Kd 4h 7d] [8h]
STAYINSCHOOL - Bets $400
GRAYCAT - Calls $400
*** RIVER *** [Kd 4h 7d 8h] [4c]
STAYINSCHOOL - Bets $400
GRAYCAT - Calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
STAYINSCHOOL - Shows [5s Kc] (Two Pair, kings and fours)
GRAYCAT - Mucks
STAYINSCHOOL Collects $3298 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3300) | Rake ($2)
Board [Kd 4h 7d 8h 4c]
Seat 3: GRAYCAT (dealer) HI: [Mucked] [6s 8c]
Seat 4: CBBBBB (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: STAYINSCHOOL (big blind) won Total ($3298) HI:($3298) with Two Pair, kings and fours [5s Kc - B:Kd,P:Kc,B:4h,B:4c,B:8h]







Stage #748852122: HOLDEM NORMAL $200/$400 - 2007-08-30 15:14:13 (ET)
Table: AGUSTA AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - STAYINSCHOOL ($6494 in chips)
Seat 3 - GRAYCAT ($14591 in chips)
Seat 4 - CBBBBB ($6900 in chips)
GRAYCAT - Posts small blind $100
CBBBBB - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to CBBBBB [7s 4c]
STAYINSCHOOL - Folds
GRAYCAT - Raises $300 to $400
CBBBBB - Calls $200
*** FLOP *** [6h 3d 9c]
GRAYCAT - Bets $200
CBBBBB - Raises $400 to $400
GRAYCAT - Raises $400 to $600
CBBBBB - Calls $200
*** TURN *** [6h 3d 9c] [7c]
GRAYCAT - Bets $400
CBBBBB - Calls $400
*** RIVER *** [6h 3d 9c 7c] [2s]
GRAYCAT - Bets $400
CBBBBB - Calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GRAYCAT - Shows [6s 2d] (Two Pair, sixes and twos)
CBBBBB - Mucks
GRAYCAT Collects $3598 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3600) | Rake ($2)
Board [6h 3d 9c 7c 2s]
Seat 3: GRAYCAT (small blind) won Total ($3598) HI:($3598) with Two Pair, sixes and twos [6s 2d - P:6s,B:6h,B:2s,P:2d,B:9c]
Seat 4: CBBBBB (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [7s 4c]
Seat 5: STAYINSCHOOL (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS







Stage #748853041: HOLDEM NORMAL $200/$400 - 2007-08-30 15:15:48 (ET)
Table: AGUSTA AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - STAYINSCHOOL ($4394 in chips)
Seat 3 - GRAYCAT ($19785 in chips)
Seat 4 - CBBBBB ($3800 in chips)
GRAYCAT - Posts small blind $100
CBBBBB - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to CBBBBB [Ad 8d]
STAYINSCHOOL - Folds
GRAYCAT - Raises $300 to $400
CBBBBB - Raises $400 to $600
GRAYCAT - Calls $200
*** FLOP *** [Jd Jc 9d]
GRAYCAT - Bets $200
CBBBBB - Calls $200
*** TURN *** [Jd Jc 9d] [Js]
GRAYCAT - Bets $400
CBBBBB - Calls $400
*** RIVER *** [Jd Jc 9d Js] [4s]
GRAYCAT - Checks
CBBBBB - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GRAYCAT - Shows [6c 10d] (Three of a kind, jacks)
CBBBBB - Shows [Ad 8d] (Three of a kind, jacks)
CBBBBB Collects $2398 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2400) | Rake ($2)
Board [Jd Jc 9d Js 4s]
Seat 3: GRAYCAT (small blind) HI:lost with Three of a kind, jacks [6c 10d - B:Js,B:Jd,B:Jc,P:10d,B:9d]
Seat 4: CBBBBB (big blind) won Total ($2398) HI:($2398) with Three of a kind, jacks(ace kicker) [Ad 8d - B:Js,B:Jd,B:Jc,P:Ad,B:9d]
Seat 5: STAYINSCHOOL (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS



Stage #748857915: HOLDEM NORMAL $200/$400 - 2007-08-30 15:23:53 (ET)
Table: AGUSTA AVE (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - SCHDNFRD ($16500 in chips)
Seat 1 - DONKOFHOLDEM ($9800 in chips)
Seat 3 - GRAYCAT ($28359 in chips)
Seat 4 - CBBBBB ($7592 in chips)
Seat 5 - STAYINSCHOOL ($3689 in chips)
DONKOFHOLDEM - Posts small blind $100
GRAYCAT - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to CBBBBB [4s 2h]
CBBBBB - Folds
STAYINSCHOOL - Folds
SCHDNFRD - Folds
DONKOFHOLDEM - Raises $300 to $400
GRAYCAT - Raises $400 to $600
DONKOFHOLDEM - Calls $200
*** FLOP *** [2s 10c 9c]
DONKOFHOLDEM - Checks
GRAYCAT - Bets $200
DONKOFHOLDEM - Raises $400 to $400
GRAYCAT - Raises $400 to $600
DONKOFHOLDEM - Raises $400 to $800
GRAYCAT - Calls $200
*** TURN *** [2s 10c 9c] [8d]
DONKOFHOLDEM - Bets $400
GRAYCAT - Calls $400
*** RIVER *** [2s 10c 9c 8d] [2d]
DONKOFHOLDEM - Checks
GRAYCAT - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DONKOFHOLDEM - Shows [9h 7d] (Two Pair, nines and twos)
GRAYCAT - Mucks
DONKOFHOLDEM Collects $3595 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3600) | Rake ($5)
Board [2s 10c 9c 8d 2d]
Seat 1: DONKOFHOLDEM (small blind) won Total ($3595) HI:($3595) with Two Pair, nines and twos [9h 7d - P:9h,B:9c,B:2s,B:2d,B:10c]
Seat 3: GRAYCAT (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [4c 8c]
Seat 4: CBBBBB Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: STAYINSCHOOL Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: SCHDNFRD (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

Are there any hints that other stakes than high stakes are involved, too? I play a lot of NL $0.5/$1 and NL $1/$2 at Absolute.

Also, shouldn't this warning be posted into the other forums as soon as possible, too?

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

This was just linked in BBV:

http://www.internettexasholdem.com/phpbb...as-vt34808.html

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

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http://www.internettexasholdem.com/phpbb...as-vt34808.html

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okay it's unsubstantiated rumor, but, gah.

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

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This was just linked in BBV:

http://www.internettexasholdem.com/phpbb...as-vt34808.html

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okay it's unsubstantiated rumor, but, gah.

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If you read the thread a few posters give the, 'If this was anybody else but you, I wouldn't believe it...'

Plus, somebody asks him if he also posted this on 2p2. This guy and his friend are histakes LHE regs and must know some of the guys here.

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

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This was just linked in BBV:

http://www.internettexasholdem.com/phpbb...as-vt34808.html

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wow

edit: I just realized that thread is from a year and a half ago. Not sure if that makes it better or worse TBH

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

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This was just linked in BBV:

http://www.internettexasholdem.com/phpbb...as-vt34808.html

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okay it's unsubstantiated rumor, but, gah.

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If you read the thread a few posters give the, 'If this was anybody else but you, I wouldn't believe it...'

Plus, somebody asks him if he also posted this on 2p2. This guy and his friend are histakes LHE regs and must know some of the guys here.

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i don't think this really matters. it's still unsubstantiated crap imo

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

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Am I the only person who gets Brian's original reasoning for wanting this discussion to take place in private?

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No, fwiw.

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I think we all understand the reasoning, we just disagree with it.

1- It doesn't really matter if the guy changes his ways, there's tons of good evidence that already exists.

2- I don't think it's "fair" (for lack of better term) that only 2p2 HS AP players who happened to read the thread are aware of this. I think this is information that benefits from greater distribution not being hidden away.

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

Gild,

I think that at minimum that thread in BBV should be unstickied, and a new sticky by a non adanthar mod should be made with a link to the old thread. (unlocked sticky!!! omg!)

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

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2- I don't think it's "fair" (for lack of better term) that only 2p2 HS AP players who happened to read the thread are aware of this. I think this is information that benefits from greater distribution not being hidden away.

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It's not like we were just going to hide it away forever and be hush hush. I already outlined in a previous response why it is better to short term hide it. If the general public doesn't know the specifics for a few days, it's only a few days, they aren't going to get "bloodbathed" between now and whenever our case is finished being built.

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

Schneids,

While it may or may not be better to hide it in the short term, we have no right, as moderators, to hide information from the users because we feel it would be better dispersed or handled in a different manner.

Removing information provided to the public by another poster because "I think it's best if the general public doesn't know this yet," even with totally reasonable reasons why it would be best if the general public didn't know, shouldn't be done by moderators (hell, it probably shouldn't be done by admins).

c

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

Hi guys,

Unfortunately, I don't think my shares are likely to go *up* as a result of publicizing this [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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2- I don't think it's "fair" (for lack of better term) that only 2p2 HS AP players who happened to read the thread are aware of this. I think this is information that benefits from greater distribution not being hidden away.

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It's not like we were just going to hide it away forever and be hush hush. I already outlined in a previous response why it is better to short term hide it. If the general public doesn't know the specifics for a few days, it's only a few days, they aren't going to get "bloodbathed" between now and whenever our case is finished being built.

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This isn't just a random multiaccounting scandal that might cost someone $50 of EV in an MTT. This is poker's nuclear bomb, and I'm 100% sure that on Wednesday, while that thread was starting, it cost CrazyMarco about 15K and everyone below him more money. Yesterday, AP ran a 150K Guaranteed $530 that many of my friends play in. Today, it has a $200 60K, which many of my friends are also playing in...you get the idea. It isn't something that you can afford to take two weeks to prepare for, especially when there is already this much evidence and any non-2+2'ers still playing HSNL are being taken for no doubt ridiculous amounts of money *right now*.

that said, I'm fine with unstickying the BBV thread (and I'll be doing that right now) since the message seems to be thoroughly out.

Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

as posted in bbv:

Has this thread been shown to one of the major poker areas of influence (ie. cardplayer)? maybe it'd be nice to get some of this info out.

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Re: Suspected cheating on AP
 

Given the ridic number of 2p2ers propping at AP, you'd think somebody must have a point of contact there.

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It seems like everyone really wants that thread moved back...and especially with that bbv thread it surely doesn't seem like it would hurt having it back there again.

So if matt, mike or commodus could move it that probably would be best.

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Need a heads up guys. I'm already seeing jokes (I think) suggesting some luckbox on some site is really doubledrag. I've asked my forum to desist from anything linking other players to the absolute suspects, even as jokes.

Is this retarded?

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This was just linked in BBV:

http://www.internettexasholdem.com/phpbb...as-vt34808.html

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okay it's unsubstantiated rumor, but, gah.

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If you read the thread a few posters give the, 'If this was anybody else but you, I wouldn't believe it...'

Plus, somebody asks him if he also posted this on 2p2. This guy and his friend are histakes LHE regs and must know some of the guys here.

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i don't think this really matters. it's still unsubstantiated crap imo

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With the date of that thread being over a year ago you might be right, but it wouldn't hurt for the AP players to talk to him and find out for themselves. According to some ICFISHIES is a known reg on stars so it's not as if that thread could be an outright joke by a no-name railtard.

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Need a heads up guys. I'm already seeing jokes (I think) suggesting some luckbox on some site is really doubledrag. I've asked my forum to desist from anything linking other players to the absolute suspects, even as jokes.

Is this retarded?

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just let it joke itself out and ban the serious nutcases.

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Gah i'm so ready to claw my eyes reading all the losers suddenly spring up with pseudo-vindication for their losing.

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as posted in bbv:

Has this thread been shown to one of the major poker areas of influence (ie. cardplayer)? maybe it'd be nice to get some of this info out.

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Cardplayer won't publish this. Too much of their ad revenue comes from these sites.

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So if matt, mike or commodus could move it that probably would be best.

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Is there a reason this hasn't happened? I mean, if we're allowing wide spread discussion, then keeping it here seems worse then useless.

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sounds like mike, matt, and commodus haven't seen this note?

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I reported my post. Maybe that will help. None of them have been posting since this morning so I'm not sure how much PM'ing will help.

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Leader,

That's the sort of go getter attitude we definitely need more of around here.

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Which forum is it to be moved to?

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Flip a coin: NVG or the Zoo. I guess it depends on how much free time you're going to have the next couple days. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Did it come from NVG? I thought it must have come from a strat forum to be moved here.

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It was in HSLHE. I just said NVG because its more on topic and has more traffic.

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I've moved it back to HSLHE so their mods can decide what they wish to do with it.

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HSLHE is where it goes.

NVG will make that thread a travesty and that is probably the community least likely to be affected by this. It's really only HS AP players who are at risk. The short stack kids in NVG will just think this validates their OMG ITZ RIGGED BECAUSE AA LOST claptrap.

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HSLHE is where it goes.

NVG will make that thread a travesty and that is probably the community least likely to be affected by this. It's really only HS AP players who are at risk. The short stack kids in NVG will just think this validates their OMG ITZ RIGGED BECAUSE AA LOST claptrap.

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I disagree with this. Not with your second point so much, but with your first one. We really don't know that the Ddrags is the only one to have been able to do this. We just know that he's the dumbest one to be able to do this, because he did it at the highest stakes, and in the most obvious way possible. I wouldn't be too sure that this isn't going on at all levels in Absolute. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying that at this point, spreading the word isn't a bad thing. Besides, NVG threads with 3000 posts can be fun.

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Yes, but shirley it would be better in a forum where some of the posters play poker?

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Yes, but shirley it would be better in a forum where some of the posters play poker?

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yes it would and don't call me shirley

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I've been away on my annual trip to the land of tents and bluegrass music.

Virtually all of this is debatable. There is no clear right or wrong for many of the mod actions taken and talked about... except for the sticky in BBV that was discussed. That wasn't appropriate.

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FWIW I've heard from a reasonably connected (not kyleb, good guess though!) guy who has contacts close to AP that rougly confirms the super user able to view hole cards theory. I've encouraged him to get in contact with Schneids once he feels he can/wants to share more.

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FWIW I've heard from a reasonably connected (not kyleb, good guess though!) guy who has contacts close to AP that rougly confirms the super user able to view hole cards theory. I've encouraged him to get in contact with Schneids once he feels he can/wants to share more.

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I already have some info about this, likely unrelated to whoever your source is, though I can't really talk about it yet.


However, fwiw, I pretty much feel like throwing in the towel on all of this trying because there's like .01% chance anything will ever come of our efforts. I know AP isn't a site I want to play on, that's all I need to know.