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Just wanted to say wow, there are some sticks on this site. If I have more time (too busy spamming ATF LDO) I would correlate this thread with the age thread to see when the best golfers started playing to confirm that indeed, the best players started in their pre-teens.


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Just remember who had the idea first.

p.s. I'll do it if someone comma delimits the data.

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Just remember who had the idea first.

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Too late I already forgot.

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Bold = New/Updated

+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.3 - Nick B.
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.5 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
15.0 - BrunoThePug
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter

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Just wanted to say wow, there are some sticks on this site. If I have more time (too busy spamming ATF LDO) I would correlate this thread with the age thread to see when the best golfers started playing to confirm that indeed, the best players started in their pre-teens.


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Just remember who had the idea first.

p.s. I'll do it if someone comma delimits the data.

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suuuuuure, let someone else do the heavy lifting...
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+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.3 - Nick B.
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.5 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
14.0 - TomE.
15.0 - BrunoThePug
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter

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+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.4 - dvh
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.3 - Nick B.
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.5 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
15.0 - BrunoThePug
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter

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Just wanted to say wow, there are some sticks on this site. If I have more time (too busy spamming ATF LDO) I would correlate this thread with the age thread to see when the best golfers started playing to confirm that indeed, the best players started in their pre-teens.

Also, thanks to dcasper for compiling/updating the list.

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Bored at work...I only listed the people who are shown in both lists.

Age____Start____hdcp_____Name
___________________________
42_____10_____+2.4_____jtrout
24_____14_____+1.1_____westhoff
16_____10_____+0.9_____stadler
25_____3_______0.1_____black_knight
39_____17______1.4_____dvh
34_____2_______1.7_____tuq
24_____7_______3.3_____Nick B.
33_____12______6_______WLVRYN
39_____12______6.2_____TripleH68
38_____12______7_______41eater
41_____17______8_______fatshaft
36_____16______9.8_____larrylegend
37_____23______10.5____dcasper70
26_____7_______12.5____Hey_Porter
55_____10______13______Rainbow Warrior
24_____5_______15______BrunoThePug
39_____18______16______offTopic
27_____25______16.4____mvoss
36_____30______17.6____Troll
41_____22______18______AndysDaddy
26_____22______20+_____4Tay
26_____23______20+_____JackInDaCrak
23_____22______25______surfinillini
23_____20______33______mad_hatter

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oT,

Thanks. So all eleven of the sub-10 handicappers started no later than 17, and seven of us are 33 or older (meaning we've been at it a long time). Of the dozen that have a >10 HDCP, although to be fair the few at the bottom only recently started playing.

A curious thing is the gap between Nick B. and WLVRYN. It's nearly three shots and supports a theory I have that there is a certain plateau in the 6-8 handicap range that is hard to break through. Sometimes it takes years or sometimes it never happens. In fact if you took Nick out there would be a >4 shot difference between me and WLVRYN. No other such gap exists throughout the results.

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Age____Start____hdcp_____Name
___________________________
42_____10_____+2.4_____jtrout
24_____14_____+1.1_____westhoff
16_____10_____+0.9_____stadler
25_____3_______0.1_____black_knight
39_____17______1.4_____dvh
34_____2_______1.7_____tuq
24_____7_______3.3_____Nick B.
33_____12______6_______WLVRYN
39_____12______6.2_____TripleH68
38_____12______7_______41eater
41_____17______8_______fatshaft
36_____16______9.8_____larrylegend
37_____23______10.5____dcasper70
26_____7_______12.5____Hey_Porter
55_____10______13______Rainbow Warrior

34_____12______13.2____bdaddy*******

24_____5_______15______BrunoThePug
39_____18______16______offTopic
27_____25______16.4____mvoss
36_____30______17.6____Troll
41_____22______18______AndysDaddy
26_____22______20+_____4Tay
26_____23______20+_____JackInDaCrak
23_____22______25______surfinillini
23_____20______33______mad_hatter

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11.9 37 years old, started at age 7 or so. Was under 10 not long ago, but dang 5 year old twins and a 3 year old are cutting in to daddy's golf time.

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Bold = New/Updated

+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.1 - ghostface
3.3 - Nick B.
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.5 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
15.0 - BrunoThePug
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter

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A curious thing is the gap between Nick B. and WLVRYN. It's nearly three shots and supports a theory I have that there is a certain plateau in the 6-8 handicap range that is hard to break through. Sometimes it takes years or sometimes it never happens. In fact if you took Nick out there would be a >4 shot difference between me and WLVRYN. No other such gap exists throughout the results.

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I endorse your "gap" theory 100%. I have been between a 6.5 and 8.5 index for about six years, pretty much since I began playing regularly (~70 rounds a year) again. My regular game of 9-10 guys is full of several guys in more or less the same boat -- always bouncing in the high single-digits, never lower. And when I think about it, I know lots of guys who carry a 0-2 or 7-10, but relatively few 3-6s.

So I guess the next question is: why? Why is this plateau hard to break through?

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Age____Start____hdcp_____Name
___________________________
42_____10_____+2.4_____jtrout
24_____14_____+1.1_____westhoff
16_____10_____+0.9_____stadler
25_____3_______0.1_____black_knight
39_____17______1.4_____dvh
42____11_____1.5____BigSoonerFan
34_____2_______1.7_____tuq
24_____7_______3.3_____Nick B.
33_____12______6_______WLVRYN
39_____12______6.2_____TripleH68
38_____12______7_______41eater
41_____17______8_______fatshaft
36_____16______9.8_____larrylegend
37_____23______10.5____dcasper70
26_____7_______12.5____Hey_Porter
55_____10______13______Rainbow Warrior
34_____12______13.2____bdaddy
24_____5_______15______BrunoThePug
39_____18______16______offTopic
27_____25______16.4____mvoss
36_____30______17.6____Troll
41_____22______18______AndysDaddy
26_____22______20+_____4Tay
26_____23______20+_____JackInDaCrak
23_____22______25______surfinillini
23_____20______33______mad_hatter

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I just printed out our handicap list at the club.
128 men. Stronger than average golfers.

Handicap
+0.1 or better =4 golfers
0 to 3.0 = 8 golfers
3.1 to 6.0 = 19 golfers
6.1 to 9.0 = 23 golfers
9.1 to 12.0 = 18 golfers


That's 72 of the 128 at 12 or less!
Keep in mind that number does not include golfers that don't use the handicap system, most of which would be higher than 12.

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Age____Start____hdcp_____Name
___________________________
29____11____+2.8_____Shoot59
42_____10_____+2.4_____jtrout
24_____14_____+1.1_____westhoff
16_____10_____+0.9_____stadler
25_____3_______0.1_____black_knight
39_____17______1.4_____dvh
42____11_____1.5____BigSoonerFan
34_____2_______1.7_____tuq
24_____7_______3.3_____Nick B.
33_____12______6_______WLVRYN
39_____12______6.2_____TripleH68
38_____12______7_______41eater
41_____17______8_______fatshaft
36_____16______9.8_____larrylegend
37_____23______10.5____dcasper70
26_____7_______12.5____Hey_Porter
55_____10______13______Rainbow Warrior
34_____12______13.2____bdaddy
24_____5_______15______BrunoThePug
39_____18______16______offTopic
27_____25______16.4____mvoss
36_____30______17.6____Troll
41_____22______18______AndysDaddy
26_____22______20+_____4Tay
26_____23______20+_____JackInDaCrak
23_____22______25______surfinillini
23_____20______33______mad_hatter

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31_____17_____14.6____aces_dad

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+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.1 - ghostface
3.3 - Nick B.
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.5 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
15.0 - BrunoThePug
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.2 - gharp
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter

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brettbrettr 17.

Trying to get to 12 by end of next summer.

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3.2

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Im 4,7

I have heard that the US HDC system is different from the european, in the way that a european HDC 3 player is better than a US HDC 3 player.

Can anyone clearify these rules, or will i be lynched now

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Im 4,7

I have heard that the US HDC system is different from the european, in the way that a european HDC 3 player is better than a US HDC 3 player.

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3.1 handicap here!!
I have heard this alright that it is easier to lower your handicap with the US system alright but i can't really comment as I don't know how this system works. In Ireland we use the CONGU system which I can explain if anyone wants me to. Could someone maybe explain the US system please?

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Im 4,7

I have heard that the US HDC system is different from the european, in the way that a european HDC 3 player is better than a US HDC 3 player.

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3.1 handicap here!!
I have heard this alright that it is easier to lower your handicap with the US system alright but i can't really comment as I don't know how this system works. In Ireland we use the CONGU system which I can explain if anyone wants me to. Could someone maybe explain the US system please?



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Good explanation of both

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I'm really just posting because I'm one good round away from single digits for the first time in my life.

Wish me luck Sunday!!!!

+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.1 - ghostface
3.2 - sonartec23b
3.2 - fullstop
3.3 - Nick B.
4.7 - Number7
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.5 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
15.0 - BrunoThePug
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.0 - brettbrettr
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.2 - gharp
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter

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4.2

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17.0 - brettbrettr

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Now 15.8.

Progress!

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3.7

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+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.1 - ghostface
3.2 - sonartec23b
3.2 - fullstop
3.3 - Nick B.
3.7 - donkontilt
4.2 - Low_Card2
4.7 - Number7
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.2 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
15.0 - BrunoThePug
15.8 - brettbrettr
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.2 - gharp
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter

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+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
1.9 - DrVanNostrin
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.1 - ghostface
3.2 - sonartec23b
3.2 - fullstop
3.3 - Nick B.
3.7 - donkontilt
4.2 - Low_Card2
4.7 - Number7
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.2 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
15.0 - BrunoThePug
15.8 - brettbrettr
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.2 - gharp
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter

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+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan

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Hmm, that's a tough goal. I need to take 4.3 shots of my handicap. Everyone's needs a challenge! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan

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Hmm, that's a tough goal. I need to take 4.3 shots of my handicap. Everyone's needs a challenge! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Still trying to think what the odds of this might be? 50 to 1? 500 to 1? 5000 to 1?

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+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan

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Hmm, that's a tough goal. I need to take 4.3 shots of my handicap. Everyone's needs a challenge! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Still trying to think what the odds of this might be? 50 to 1? 500 to 1? 5000 to 1?

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It depends on how much time and effort you have put into getting to 1.5.
And how much time/effort you will put into improving from here on...

If the answers are "alot, not much" then the odds are extremely long".

If the answers are "not much/ alot" then the odds are good.


I know from the age demographic thread that your age is same as mine.
I would guess of the top of my head that you would be looking at something along the lines of:
playing at least 72 holes per week.
practicing at least 20 hours per week.
spending most of this time working on short game.

My scoring made dramatic improvements twice:
The first was in college where I made a swing change that allowed me to know where my misses would be. I could then have a little course management.
The second was when I improved my iron play.
I would take my shag bag full of nice Titleists, put the bag at a certain (known) yardage, and then hit from a nice piece of turf.
I soon learned the difference between hitting a ball 120 vs. 115.
I learned how to best get a few extra yards out of a club, or take a few yards off. I learned how to take one more club and knock it down.
I learned what was the absolute max I could hit a club, and that trying to do that wasn't the best way to have a tight pattern around that shag bag.
I knew how far I hit each club, and through lots of hitting, then going and picking them up and observing where most balls finished, I tightened my pattern tremendously.
Lots more birdie putts. Lots more confidence.

I did the same thing with SW, but to a tighter extreme.
Hitting to one of those circular pvc pipe swing training things that used to be popular, I'd put my shag bag in the center of it.
I'd put 10 balls at 40yds, 50yds, and so on and work on landing them within the circle.
When I began this, I rarely landed one in the circle.
By the end of the summer, I could land 50% in the circle from different distances.
When I had a 50 yard pitch in a round, I could see the pvc pipe, and the Titleist shag bag sitting at the base of the pin. And I believed I could make it!

I only wish I'd had a significant improvement in putting somewhere along the way! [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Sorry for the rambling. Hope it helps a little.

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2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
1.9 - DrVanNostrin
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.1 - ghostface
3.2 - sonartec23b
3.2 - fullstop
3.3 - Nick B.
3.7 - donkontilt
4.2 - Low_Card2
4.7 - Number7
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
8.5 - brick
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.2 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
15.0 - BrunoThePug
15.8 - brettbrettr
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.2 - gharp
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter

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2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
1.9 - DrVanNostrin
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.1 - ghostface
3.2 - sonartec23b
3.2 - fullstop
3.3 - Nick B.
3.7 - donkontilt
4.2 - Low_Card2
4.7 - Number7
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
8.5 - brick
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.2 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
14.9 - offTopic
15.0 - BrunoThePug
15.8 - brettbrettr
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.2 - gharp
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter

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Had a good couple of months (but didn't play as much). lol variancements

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Trout, you got to do all that on a course, or a really good practice facility?

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was a 5.7 and haven't played in 4 months. Anyone here from SoCal?

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My end of the season hcp came out. I ended at 17.5 (Started at 17.6, moved to 18.0). But my next 3 scores to be bumped are 3 decent scoring rounds. Of course all that shouldn't matter if I can consistently keep my game in the mid to low 80's. Hope global warming helps keeps the Northeast warm this winter.

2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
1.9 - DrVanNostrin
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.1 - ghostface
3.2 - sonartec23b
3.2 - fullstop
3.3 - Nick B.
3.7 - donkontilt
4.2 - Low_Card2
4.7 - Number7
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
8.5 - brick
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.2 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
14.9 - offTopic
15.0 - BrunoThePug
15.8 - brettbrettr
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.5 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.2 - gharp
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter

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Trout, you got to do all that on a course, or a really good practice facility?

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This was at the 9 hole course where I grew up.
It had a practice area where you could hit your own balls.
It was about 150 yards from my back door.

I spent countless hours hitting my old Titleist shags in this area.
Typical routine:
empty shag bag (maybe 75 balls), walk 125 yds and sit the shag bag down for a target. I'd also take my two headcovers. I'd lay them 15 ft. left/right or short/long of the bag. Pace the yardage back to the bag to double check yardage. (you take longer steps going uphill than you do downhill)
Hit several shots trying to make a tight pattern. When focus dropped off, I'd pick up 5 or so and move up 5 yards to 120 and hit at target; then take 5 balls to 130 and repeat.
Hit all the balls. Go pick them up and observe where most stopped.
Repeat at a new yardage.

The area wasn't anything special, except that I almost always had it to myself, and it was so close to home.

I went to the Pelz shortgame school around '93, which inspired me to spend a lot of time working on specific yardages less than full.
The old PVC circular pipe just happen to be a convenient and useful target.

I do think that this type of practice is much more rewarding than the typical driving range practice.

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went way down this month, +2.4

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went way down this month, +2.4


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you are leading the hsbc champions, good job.