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dealers complain they're under paid, but won't tell how much they're making

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exactly. stop complaining if you aren't willing to be upfront about how much you make. obviously dealers complain because they want the tipping culture to change/improve, yet how can they create change without showing that they are being paid unfairly.

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I NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT MY PAY OR SAID THAT I WAS BEING PAID UNFAIRLY
OMG do you even understand the english language???
I am highly unimpressed with the lack of intelligence found in this forum. I really hope that Harrahs and the PAB will bring on a rep for the dealers so this can be better for the players and staff next year

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I think people are venting a lot of complaints they have about dealers in general. I wouldn't take it personally.

I thought the things you said about Jerry Yang were very classy btw. He does seem like a good person.

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It is pretty cool you took the time to come on here to clear a few things up also.

I echo, don't take things personally.

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This may sound odd but didn't every player that entered effectively tip 1.8% ($180.00) before the event got underway win or lose? The prize won by Yang represented the monies left after the operating costs had been removed. Yang effectively contributed $180.00 just like everyone else.

Depends on how you look at it I guess.

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That's BS this money would have been in the prize pool if it wasn't taken out. Since some players didn't tip from their winnings in the past the system was changed to the current method. It's not the players fault if the Casino hired too many dealers or took too little (not in my opinion) from the prize pool. Maybe they should go back to the old way of letting players decide if/how much the dealers deserve.

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700 dealers?
How many of them spent the past week dealing side games, gaining tokes while the ME was going on?
How many dealt the 15 non-bracelet events that ran July 9th to 16th, gaining tips while the ME was going on?
So to say the ME tokes were spread out over 700 dealers more that a bit misleading.

Simple.
Publish an "average" dealers take for the WSOP.
Then we can see if the dealers were "stiffed".

Until then, quit bashing CF for educating Yang as to the realities of the money taken out up front.

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That's what I'm saying. Yang didn't win all those peoples tip money and then have it deducted out of his winnings. It had already been removed prior to play.

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I am highly unimpressed with the lack of intelligence found in this forum.

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You're new here, aren't you?

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Anyone who sits inside and does nothing but shuffle cards and pass them out to others should not bitch about $15/hr,much less $50/hr. You count on the WSOP to generate 2/3 of your income? Tough, that makes you an idiot who needs to learn what he/she is worth, and quit expecting a windfall from someone elses' success, literally any able bodied person with an IQ above 60 can deal a poker game. Some people in this world have went as far as getting a 2nd or 3rd job to take care of financial problems. You talk about how pissed you were in initial post when CF misled Tommy Vu about the tip, even though it doesn't appear he did mislead him, it is obvious you are mad because you wanted a little piece (undeservedly). Next time you are sad and need to feel better go to a site where a building is going up, its 110 outside, there are 2 guys at top of said structure, 60 feet in air,30MPH wind blowin, they are on a deadline,and they are making less than you. Go sit on your ass and shuffle up and deal, it is a pretty easy job.

Note- I realize having a bad dealer can ruin a table, but that is on Harrah's, it is SO easy to deal.

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700 dealers?
How many of them spent the past week dealing side games, gaining tokes while the ME was going on?
How many dealt the 15 non-bracelet events that ran July 9th to 16th, gaining tips while the ME was going on?
So to say the ME tokes were spread out over 700 dealers more that a bit misleading.

Simple.
Publish an "average" dealers take for the WSOP.
Then we can see if the dealers were "stiffed".

Until then, quit bashing CF for educating Yang as to the realities of the money taken out up front.

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He was wrong, plain and simple. AS for the dealers, 700+ for all 3 shifts, dealers are paid by down this year so when they are sent to the live section, they are not getting part of the pool, only if you pitch a card on a tourney table. ALL tourneys held from the 6th to the end are all pooled into the same fund. And I will continue to speak the truth about CF just like I have been all along.

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Anyone who sits inside and does nothing but shuffle cards and pass them out to others should not bitch about $15/hr,much less $50/hr. You count on the WSOP to generate 2/3 of your income? Tough, that makes you an idiot who needs to learn what he/she is worth, and quit expecting a windfall from someone elses' success, literally any able bodied person with an IQ above 60 can deal a poker game. Some people in this world have went as far as getting a 2nd or 3rd job to take care of financial problems. You talk about how pissed you were in initial post when CF misled Tommy Vu about the tip, even though it doesn't appear he did mislead him, it is obvious you are mad because you wanted a little piece (undeservedly). Next time you are sad and need to feel better go to a site where a building is going up, its 110 outside, there are 2 guys at top of said structure, 60 feet in air,30MPH wind blowin, they are on a deadline,and they are making less than you. Go sit on your ass and shuffle up and deal, it is a pretty easy job.

Note- I realize having a bad dealer can ruin a table, but that is on Harrah's, it is SO easy to deal.

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yet another who cannot read or understand english. Where exactly was Tommy Vu?? If you could read you would have noticed that I am perfectly happy with what I made this year and INCREDDIBLY HAPPY that JERRY Y won the ME. As for my skills, I would love to see you be able to do what I do AND do it well enough to be televised. Im sorry that you are not skilled nor educated enough to work smarter. I will make sure and wave to you next time I drive past the construction on Frank Sinatra Blvd

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Anyone who sits inside and does nothing but shuffle cards and pass them out to others should not bitch about $15/hr,much less $50/hr.

Note- I realize having a bad dealer can ruin a table, but that is on Harrah's, it is SO easy to deal.

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I might agree for a $1/2 or $2/5 game, but what about when the stakes start getting really high? What about for $50/$100 or $500/$1000 games? To say that you are going to pay someone $15/hour to run a game where tens of thousands, possibly millions are at stake seems a little short-sighted to me.

Same thing with the WSOP final table. The money for the final nine was over $22M total, with 9th place getting $500K and first over $8M. I would think that you would want to place the most experienced dealers at the tables as the tournament is winding down and they should be rewarded for their efforts. Why would you want to deal the final table of the WSOP for $15/hour? There's not much upside there -- if you screw up you are going to face tons of criticism and if you do everything perfectly it will just be what you are supposed to do and you'll take your mediocre pay and go home.

I'd like to see the dealers that deal the tables towards the end of the tournament make more than those dealing on the first days. Make it competitive so that the best dealers are dealing the final tables (which I assume happens already anyway) and reward them for their success.

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I'm pretty sure in most casinos, unless the dealers don't want to, that dealers deal every type of game from the 1/2 game to the 4k/8k atleast at the Venetian. They are doing the exact same thing at each game. Yes the moneys bigger but it's still poker and it's still chips. The rake is about the same for every type of game.

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This may sound odd but didn't every player that entered effectively tip 1.8% ($180.00) before the event got underway win or lose? The prize won by Yang represented the monies left after the operating costs had been removed. Yang effectively contributed $180.00 just like everyone else.

Depends on how you look at it I guess.

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You could look at it that way. Or you could look at it as money out of the prize pool, so that effectively only people that cashed paid a tip.

In other words, if you bust out twenty minutes into the main event, it doesn't matter whether they witheld 2% or 20%, you still end up with nothing. It would make no difference to you. To the winner however, it would make a great deal of difference in how much he's paid.

So, in my mind the tip is only actually paid by the players that cash (and perhaps the bubbles, as well, if the payout would have been deeper with no witholding for the tip).

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I'm interested from a gossip perspective, in how much the big winners tip, if any. I'm not particularly interested in the ZOMG, Harrah's should pay the dealers better not us, debate.

Personally, I would've tipped an extra 80K for the win, and nothing for one of the just in the money, 20k cashes. Make of that what you will.

--Zetack

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well with an event this size, unfortunately there are alot of break-in dealers that have no clue how to properly deal a simple 1/2 NL cash game let alone an event with millions at stake. In the past, the best of the best dealers are chosen by ESPN and the DC (dealer coordinater), and we got paid the same as everyone else. I was happy just to be able to be on tv for my kids to watch. This year we have finally been given a little extra by earning extra downs. All of the staff has worked very hard this year to try our best to give the players a great event.

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A tip here would be tax deductible or would lower the taxable winnings by the amount of the tip, I'd guess. If you give the deserving dealers one per cent, half of it is Uncle Sam's money so you get a nice discount.

The dealers are unionizing at the Wynn. Maybe that would help predetermine exact expectations about wages, hours, working conditions. Dealers for top spots like Bellagio, et.al. have great benefits and working conditions and excellent pay. It is not as easy as it looks.

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I'm interested from a gossip perspective, in how much the big winners tip, if any. I'm not particularly interested in the ZOMG, Harrah's should pay the dealers better not us, debate.

Personally, I would've tipped an extra 80K for the win, and nothing for one of the just in the money, 20k cashes. Make of that what you will.

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I dont Know where to start, probably by saying how tacky your request is. A toke is a personal thing that each person must decide for themselves and not be influenced by anyone other than your perception on how your service was. I got my tip, a wonderful heartfelt hug from a good guy and it was priceless.

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How is a tip tax deductible? That's a new one.

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He was wrong, plain and simple. .

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How was he wrong?
Please explain.
He said $X was taken out of Yang's share of the prize pool for tips.
Do you dispute that?
Were his figures off?
By how much?

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A tip here would be tax deductible or would lower the taxable winnings by the amount of the tip, I'd guess. If you give the deserving dealers one per cent, half of it is Uncle Sam's money so you get a nice discount.

The dealers are unionizing at the Wynn. Maybe that would help predetermine exact expectations about wages, hours, working conditions. Dealers for top spots like Bellagio, et.al. have great benefits and working conditions and excellent pay. It is not as easy as it looks.

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The poker dealers are not part of that union that is forming. Besides, us traveling gypsies would not be able to join because we are considered temps. We are the carnies of the dark carnival known as POKER lol. I think as a whole, we would be very pleased with having a voice on the players advisory board so changes can be made for the bennifit of all involved.

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I'm interested from a gossip perspective, in how much the big winners tip, if any. I'm not particularly interested in the ZOMG, Harrah's should pay the dealers better not us, debate.

Personally, I would've tipped an extra 80K for the win, and nothing for one of the just in the money, 20k cashes. Make of that what you will.

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I dont Know where to start, probably by saying how tacky your request is.

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But coming here and the other site and bashing CF for giving information and advice is not tacky?

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He was wrong, plain and simple. .

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How was he wrong?
Please explain.
He said $X was taken out of Yang's share of the prize pool for tips.
Do you dispute that?
Were his figures off?
By how much?

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The dealers only recieve 65% of the 1.8%, it is shared between over 700+ dealers and I wish I knew the total number of downs so you could calculate exactly how much each dealer would recieve. yet again this is not about the ammount, it is about CF knowing exactly how it is all diced up and this is the 2nd time that i know of of him convincing someone to not tip based on a false statement meant to mislead

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I'm interested from a gossip perspective, in how much the big winners tip, if any. I'm not particularly interested in the ZOMG, Harrah's should pay the dealers better not us, debate.

Personally, I would've tipped an extra 80K for the win, and nothing for one of the just in the money, 20k cashes. Make of that what you will.

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I dont Know where to start, probably by saying how tacky your request is. A toke is a personal thing that each person must decide for themselves and not be influenced by anyone other than your perception on how your service was. I got my tip, a wonderful heartfelt hug from a good guy and it was priceless.

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I didn't make a request. I was commenting that I was interested in the thread to the extent that it reveals how much Yang tipped. (The additional involvement of Ferguson is also interesting gossip.) I didn't mention it, but the gossip you contributed from inside the payout room and background on how the dealers are getting compensated was interesting.

However, the whether to tip or not to tip dealers in the WSOP is a debate that's raged many times on these forums, and I find the rehash boring. That was my comment.

You may find my interest in how much the big winners toked tacky, but I didn't even solicit that information. I just looked at it when it became publicly available.

I'm sure I am interested in many things that you would find tacky or distasteful to you. Why you feel the need to reprimand me over one of them, particularly when you are a major participant in a public discussion of one of them, is baffling to me.

--Zetack

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I have new respect for Jesus now. He gave good advice even though he could probably foresee that he would catch some heat from certain parties for doing so.

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You pay a huge rake, you play your ass off for a week, for a once in a life time cash, and you're expected to just give away hundreds of thousands of dollars you don't have to? That's madness.

Dealers might be bitter that people around them are winning millions of dollars but that doesn't entitle them to a freaking dime of the prizepool. THey aren't risking their money and they aren't playing. They are performing a job that can be done by pretty much anyone who isn't brain dead.

If you are impressed by the dealers and the service and by Harrahs (ahahah) then feel free to tip.

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I have new respect for Jesus now. He gave good advice even though he could probably foresee that he would catch some heat from certain parties for doing so.

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Weather it was good advice or not, it was incomplete information. And I have not once "bashed" Chris for what he has done or said, I simply dont like how he did it. I could have very well done the same thing, I could have told Jerry incomplete truths and make it sound like he should leave thousands for the dealers.

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I'm pretty sure in most casinos, unless the dealers don't want to, that dealers deal every type of game from the 1/2 game to the 4k/8k atleast at the Venetian. They are doing the exact same thing at each game. Yes the moneys bigger but it's still poker and it's still chips. The rake is about the same for every type of game.

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That is probably what they do at the Venetian. In a well run casino they have multiple rotations and send the better dealers to games with more money at stake.

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He was wrong, plain and simple. .

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How was he wrong?
Please explain.
He said $X was taken out of Yang's share of the prize pool for tips.
Do you dispute that?
Were his figures off?
By how much?

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The dealers only recieve 65% of the 1.8%, it is shared between over 700+ dealers and I wish I knew the total number of downs so you could calculate exactly how much each dealer would recieve. yet again this is not about the ammount, it is about CF knowing exactly how it is all diced up and this is the 2nd time that i know of of him convincing someone to not tip based on a false statement meant to mislead

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This is something your toke committee should have for you. You do know this is the dealer's money to be divided up by the dealers and not Harrah's don't you?

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He was wrong, plain and simple. .

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How was he wrong?
Please explain.
He said $X was taken out of Yang's share of the prize pool for tips.
Do you dispute that?
Were his figures off?
By how much?

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The dealers only recieve 65% of the 1.8%, it is shared between over 700+ dealers and I wish I knew the total number of downs so you could calculate exactly how much each dealer would recieve. yet again this is not about the ammount, it is about CF knowing exactly how it is all diced up and this is the 2nd time that i know of of him convincing someone to not tip based on a false statement meant to mislead

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"Whenever someone says it's not about the money, it's about the money."

I was sympathetic at first but now you've grown whiny and tiresome. If you don't think Yang should have tipped, then please STFU.

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You pay a huge rake, you play your ass off for a week, for a once in a life time cash, and you're expected to just give away hundreds of thousands of dollars you don't have to? That's madness.

Dealers might be bitter that people around them are winning millions of dollars but that doesn't entitle them to a freaking dime of the prizepool. THey aren't risking their money and they aren't playing. They are performing a job that can be done by pretty much anyone who isn't brain dead.

If you are impressed by the dealers and the service and by Harrahs (ahahah) then feel free to tip.

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I give up. Alot of the readers here have been wonderful to debate with, as for the rest of you that feel it necessary to put me down and my proffession and NOT READ MY ORIGINAL POST, y'all are sad

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He was wrong, plain and simple. .

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How was he wrong?
Please explain.
He said $X was taken out of Yang's share of the prize pool for tips.
Do you dispute that?
Were his figures off?
By how much?

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The dealers only recieve 65% of the 1.8%, it is shared between over 700+ dealers and I wish I knew the total number of downs so you could calculate exactly how much each dealer would recieve. yet again this is not about the ammount, it is about CF knowing exactly how it is all diced up and this is the 2nd time that i know of of him convincing someone to not tip based on a false statement meant to mislead

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Yang got:
$8,250,000
Without the 6% taken out, that would be:
$8,776,596.
1.8% of that is:
$157,978.

Now the article says he said $148,500, you say $170,000.
So where is his math so far off?

The article says "the payout ladies asked what he would like to leave for the dealers", you claim they said "if he would like to leave anything ADDITIONAL (yes that is how it was stated) for the dealers".

Neither reports that they told him that the "tip in addition to that already taken out will be split 5-30-65". Or are you saying that the "additional tips" went 100% to the dealers?

And, whatever happened to " What Happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas"? Harrah's employees are privy to a private conversation, and then blab it all over the 'Net. Good way in engender good will toward your cause.

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You pay a huge rake, you play your ass off for a week, for a once in a life time cash, and you're expected to just give away hundreds of thousands of dollars you don't have to? That's madness.

Dealers might be bitter that people around them are winning millions of dollars but that doesn't entitle them to a freaking dime of the prizepool. THey aren't risking their money and they aren't playing. They are performing a job that can be done by pretty much anyone who isn't brain dead.

If you are impressed by the dealers and the service and by Harrahs (ahahah) then feel free to tip.

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I give up. Alot of the readers here have been wonderful to debate with, as for the rest of you that feel it necessary to put me down and my proffession and NOT READ MY ORIGINAL POST, y'all are sad

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P.S. Dealing cards is a job, not a profession. If you're making $50 an hour already, we simply think it's unseemly to whine about how you deserve more simply because some other guy won a ton of money in the casino where you work.

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LMAO I have yet to understand where I stated that i wanted jerry to tip? This has nothing to do with him it has everything to do with chris and his opinions and statements that are simply not right.

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The dealers only recieve 65% of the 1.8%, it is shared between over 700+ dealers and I wish I knew the total number of downs so you could calculate exactly how much each dealer would recieve. yet again this is not about the ammount, it is about CF knowing exactly how it is all diced up and this is the 2nd time that i know of of him convincing someone to not tip based on a false statement meant to mislead

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I don't know Chris Ferguson personally, but I think you're over the top in saying that he meant to mislead anyone.

The fact is, 1.8% gets withheld from the prize pool for tips. Now, you're right, part of that goes to the dealers and part of that goes to the staff. What you're missing is that, from the perspective of us players, that's not a particularly meaningful distinction. (I understand why it's meaningful to you, naturally.) To most of us, a tip is a tip.

If Ferguson had explained it 100%, I guess he would have said "You've already tipped $100,000 to the dealers and $50,000 to the staff, so I would recommend zero." You agree that that would be a truthful statement, right? It's not clear to me that Yang's reaction would have been, "Oh, I've only given $100,000 to the dealers, I should definitely give more!"

And I really don't think it's fair to say Ferguson meant to mislead him, as if he was thinking, "Hey, I'll tell him the dealers got $150,000 instead of $100,000, that way he'll be more likely to give him nothing!" I think Ferguson's sole interest was in making sure this relative newcomer, a nice and likable guy, wasn't misled into thinking there would be no tip if he didn't contribute something more. It surely makes no difference to Ferguson if Yang gives the dealers $10,000 or $20,000 or nothing, so why would he try to "mislead"?

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it has everything to do with chris and his opinions and statements that are simply not right.

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Read my last post and respond to it. Don't just keep saying Chris was wrong.

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You pay a huge rake, you play your ass off for a week, for a once in a life time cash, and you're expected to just give away hundreds of thousands of dollars you don't have to? That's madness.

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There's been a lot of dealer-bashing in this thread, a lot of comments about how anyone could do that job and they should be happy with what they get. Now, let's be even-handed and refrain from fetishizing what it means to win the WSOP. It's a great accomplishment to be proud of, but it also has aspects of winning the lottery. Because of the size of the field, it's not exactly the cream rising to the top every time, and I think we all get that.

You might work 45 or 50 years in a typical adult life. How many people even come close to earning $8 million in all that time? So let's not get started about "playing your ass off for a week" like it's such an amazing accomplishment that you clearly earned every dime.

Every time you leave a tip in life, you're giving away money "you don't have to." Yet most of us do. I agree it's not right to be judgmental about how much someone tips, but your post makes it sound like the very thought of "giving away" hard-earned money as a tip is somehow wrong. I think that's going too far.

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EXACTLY my point. The players pay enough in fee's and like I said originally, it should be Harrahs responsibility to give the staff and dealers a bigger chunk of the vig. I dont think it would harm them one bit to give up an additional 1.2% to make it a total of 3% withheld for the staff then do the 70/30 split. Any problems with that?
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I like her already.

Sassy, spunky, and she has charm. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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man, as far as handling situations poorly goes, pkrporcupine is an all star.

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I would love to see you be able to do what I do AND do it well enough to be televised.

It is a tough job, sometimes when fatigue sets in do you almost put 4 on the flop? Or forget the burn card? Oh the humanity. Congats on being on TV, I'm sure the nation is captivated to see who dealt the last hands of the worst WSOP ME FT ever. For Christ sake's(sorry Jerry) you guys have to call over someone every time there is the slightest problem at a table, because they don't trust you to make a competent decision.

Im sorry that you are not skilled nor educated enough to work smarter. I will make sure and wave to you next time I drive past the construction on Frank Sinatra Blvd

Haha coming from a dealer, wave all you want but isn't it tough to look that high out of the bus windows? Tell them to slow down with that construction, sounds like the market can't keep up out there, people like you will be able to buy a house soon.

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Today you trash Jesus, last week you trashed Hellmuth.

Anyone see a trend here?