Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

Very nice program. I am trying to run the hand replayer, and I get the message, unable to load hands, site not recognized. All of my hands are from Pokerstars.

Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

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Very nice program. I am trying to run the hand replayer, and I get the message, unable to load hands, site not recognized. All of my hands are from Pokerstars.

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Could you cut & paste a couple of hands into a PM? I'm not aware of problems with PokerStars hands at the moment.

Re other sites, non-showdown hands, etc, I'm working on this now.

edit: Someone asked me about the stats overlay in the replayer. The opponents stats are retrieved from PokerAce if you have PokerAce installed, so they'll be the same as your current HUD. If you don't have PokerAce installed (for example, gametime+), they're retrieved from a single database where the hands were loaded from. If all your player stats are in that database then you'll get the same as GameTime+, otherwise you won't. So unless you have PokerAce installed, don't expect them to be the same as the HUD.

Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

Now the replayer is working...not sure what happened..thanks

Is there a way to make the replayer run constantly, so it just shows the next hand, without having to hit a button?

Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

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Imsakidd says above that he runs good/neutral - is that true? and I'm assuming you (curtains) consistently run bad.

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Last month i was below equity, the 2 before that I was above, and this month I am above as well. Some of it probably has to do with the 3 way AI pots (which i mentioned before), but it can take a while for net run to even out.

When you add the database backend i can run 200k+ hands and see what my net run over that sample is.

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Hahahha I doomswitched myself by posting this.

Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

hey phil,

a few things.

- this is a small bug. in the PokerEV window the pot size is listed as $43.90 instead of $142.60 in this hand.

Table 'Vaticana' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Reesy ($557.85 in chips)
Seat 2: redargoe ($510.70 in chips)
Seat 3: redrockets55 ($69.30 in chips)
Seat 5: schwza ($398 in chips)
Seat 6: freestyle92 ($407.25 in chips)
freestyle92: posts small blind $2
Reesy: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to schwza [Ts Qd]
redargoe: folds
redrockets55: calls $4
schwza: raises $16 to $20
freestyle92: folds
Reesy: folds
redrockets55: calls $16
*** FLOP *** [9s 8s Jd]
redrockets55: checks
schwza: bets $148
redrockets55: calls $49.30 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [9s 8s Jd] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [9s 8s Jd 9h] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
redrockets55: shows [Qs Td] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
schwza: shows [Ts Qd] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
redrockets55 collected $71.30 from pot
schwza collected $71.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $144.60 | Rake $2
Board [9s 8s Jd 9h 4h]
Seat 1: Reesy (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: redargoe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: redrockets55 showed [Qs Td] and won ($71.30) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 5: schwza (button) showed [Ts Qd] and won ($71.30) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 6: freestyle92 (small blind) folded before Flop

- i ran your program on the same 70k hand sample as i did for AllinCalc and the difference in all-in luck was significant. i was at -$8.2k for your program and about -$6k for AllinCalc. this is using the "luck graphs" on your program.

i was going to try to check which program was more accurate, but i did not see a simple way to do that. is there a way to see all the information in the "luck graphs" section in a nice easy-to-read format like the table in the analysis section? you can sort of get the info by hovering the mouse on the graph but it is not very readable.

or is there a way to change the view for the analysis section so that it only shows hands that were all-in before the river and will only show the luck EV generated after all the chips were bet?

thanks!

edit: thought of one more thing. it would be cool to see some kind of indication to get a sense of how unlikely or likely it is to have a given amount of luck. in my 70k sample was i extremely unlucky or is that a normal magnitude or luck? i'm not that up on the statistics but i think you could do it with a z-score. it's all just independent random chance events so it should be pretty doable.

Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

Thanks, that is a bug. It doesn't affect the calcs but will give the wrong value in the "total pot size" column where hero overbets and gets called by a shorter stack.

You can look at/verify the all-in values if you scroll to the far right of the analysis tab.

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thought of one more thing. it would be cool to see some kind of indication to get a sense of how unlikely or likely it is to have a given amount of luck.

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You really need a simulation to quantify this - a simple z-score won't do. But I have another way of showing this which should be as useful as standard deviation.

Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

phil:

When Are you Adding SD/100 for Graphs? Would be nice to know so We could run some simulations or something.

Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

Wow, thanks a lot for this program. It looks great. I'll definitively buy it if you decide to bringout a pay version.


And someone please fix my doomswitch at Stars. All at 1/2NL, 15 buyins below EV in the 13500 hands I played there this year.
Main play is at Crypto, only play Stars when there are not enough tables there so would love Crypto support.

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7...inggoodcm8.png

Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

I'm unable to use the software so far... I can load my database, then when I click start it goes through all the hands and says "0 hands successfully enumerated 46881 hands were skipped." Anyone know how to fix that?

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I'm unable to use the software so far... I can load my database, then when I click start it goes through all the hands and says "0 hands successfully enumerated 46881 hands were skipped." Anyone know how to fix that?

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Ignore this, I got it to work just closing PT.

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Main play is at Crypto, only play Stars when there are not enough tables there so would love Crypto support.

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I'm trying to get more sites supported for the next release (as well as tournaments, finally), but I need a lot of hands for testing and debugging. The more the better, especially for smaller sites.

If you want to help, you can email hands to phil@pokerevsoftware.com

You can also upload hands very easily here which get automatically emailed to me:

http://www.pokerevsoftware.com/form/use/HHUploader/

Everything's kept confidential of course. In terms of sites:

Priority
few hand histories, not currently supported

Everest
Cryptologic
Prima
Ongame
Bodog

Not priority
but helpful for tournaments and further debugging

Party Poker
Full Tilt
PokerStars
iPoker

Any versions are fine, including PokerTracker output, raw site histories, site xml, .dat database files, etc.


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phil:

When Are you Adding SD/100 for Graphs? Would be nice to know so We could run some simulations or something.

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Next release, mid-month. It won't be SD/100 but something similar.

Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

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Thanks, that is a bug. It doesn't affect the calcs but will give the wrong value in the "total pot size" column where hero overbets and gets called by a shorter stack.

You can look at/verify the all-in values if you scroll to the far right of the analysis tab.



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i'm looking at those two columns and i have a question about how you're calculating AllinNetWon and AllinNetExpected. it looks like those values only look at the size of the all-in bet (or maybe all of the bets on the all-in street). is that correct?

it's more intuitive to me to look at those variables for the entire pot size.

for example, say two players each put in $100 preflop and $200 on the flop and they are all-in on the flop. A is a 9:1 favorite over B on the flop, but B outdraws A. how much bad luck did A just suffer? by your calculation, it is

.9 * $400 = $360

in my view, he suffered more than that. when he put his last chip in the pot, there was $600 and he had 90% equity, so he had .9 * $600 = $540 of bad luck. regardless of how the money went in, once the luck factor showed up, there was $600 at stake, not just the $400 that went in on the flop.

also, i noticed your doing 3way equity calcs. how are computing the side pot and main pot equity? are you assuming that winning the side pot and winning the main pot are independent events? i.e., running the sim once for the main pot and then if the shortstack wins then run another sim for the side pot?

finally, are you actually enumerating preflop all-in? i would think it'd be easier and faster to just have a master chart stored inside the program so if Td8d gets ai against AdAh you just look up the equity for T8s vs AA. you'd lose the fact that having the Ad helps a little but since we're talking about all-in preflop it's just luck how the suits match up anyway.

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it's more intuitive to me to look at those variables for the entire pot size.

for example, say two players each put in $100 preflop and $200 on the flop and they are all-in on the flop. A is a 9:1 favorite over B on the flop, but B outdraws A. how much bad luck did A just suffer? by your calculation, it is

.9 * $400 = $360

in my view, he suffered more than that. when he put his last chip in the pot, there was $600 and he had 90% equity, so he had .9 * $600 = $540 of bad luck.

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That's the way the all-in-calc program does it, but I don't like it. Say for example you put in $380 preflop as a 5:1 dog, and then your final $20 on the flop (this happens sometimes) as a 9:1 favorite. If you lose, did you really get unlucky for $720-odd dollars? That's the problem with basing it on the entire pot size. I went for the option of going for a smaller calculation that's a far more accurate indicator of luck. I've tried fiddling with a calc where if you put say 80% of the your stack in, then it calcs both streets, but the potential for skew is there. I may add it as a user option.

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also, i noticed your doing 3way equity calcs. how are computing the side pot and main pot equity?

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Two separate sims for each pot.

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finally, are you actually enumerating preflop all-in?

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I'm doing a monte carlo for preflop,which is slightly inaccurate (1-2%) but doesn't affect cumulative results as the inaccuracy is randomly spread on both sides. It'll throw a 2000 hand, $400 graph out by ~$1 for example, it really is inconsequential and worth it for the speed.

However, I've written a PokerStove-speed preflop enumeration algorithm and I hope to get it into the next version.

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That's the way the all-in-calc program does it, but I don't like it. Say for example you put in $380 preflop as a 5:1 dog, and then your final $20 on the flop (this happens sometimes) as a 9:1 favorite. If you lose, did you really get unlucky for $720-odd dollars? That's the problem with basing it on the entire pot size.

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it's true that sometimes in your example the guy who was a 9:1 favorite was actually a 5:1 dog preflop. but it's much more likely that the 9:1 flop favorite was also the 5:1 preflop favorite.

your way of calculating luck magnitude basically assumes that the money that went in preflop went in as 50-50. the other way basically assumes that if the flop money went in as 80-20 then the preflop money went in 80-20 also. that seems more right to me but i think it's just a matter of preference.

the biggest reason i want to see your program done in the same way as all-in-calc is so that i can run them both on the same database and see how close they are to agreeing. (you would also need an option for ignoring 3-way pots for this to really work).

Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

Why am I always running ahead of S-Bucks? Is it possible to run hot for 45k hands?

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1661/ev2cd6.jpg

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Main play is at Crypto, only play Stars when there are not enough tables there so would love Crypto support.

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I'm trying to get more sites supported for the next release (as well as tournaments, finally), but I need a lot of hands for testing and debugging. The more the better, especially for smaller sites.

If you want to help, you can email hands to phil@pokerevsoftware.com

You can also upload hands very easily here which get automatically emailed to me:

http://www.pokerevsoftware.com/form/use/HHUploader/

Everything's kept confidential of course. In terms of sites:

Priority
few hand histories, not currently supported

Everest
Cryptologic
Prima
Ongame
Bodog

Not priority
but helpful for tournaments and further debugging

Party Poker
Full Tilt
PokerStars
iPoker

Any versions are fine, including PokerTracker output, raw site histories, site xml, .dat database files, etc.


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phil:

When Are you Adding SD/100 for Graphs? Would be nice to know so We could run some simulations or something.

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Next release, mid-month. It won't be SD/100 but something similar.


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ye, recently i changed to prima and i noticed it wasnt supported. continue with the good work

Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

What a wonderful program Phil!

If my red SB luck line has a negative slope over 100 all-in hands, chances are that I was tilting, right? => I was constantly getting all-in not having the best of it.

Help with Analysis, does this mean i suck or have just hit a bad run?
 

[img=http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.b6115b5bee.jpg]

Looking for an overview of the graph in the link, does this mean i am running bad or just playing bad?

Re: Help with Analysis, does this mean i suck or have just hit a bad r
 

Does Absolute Poker work yet?

Re: Help with Analysis, does this mean i suck or have just hit a bad r
 

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[img=http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.b6115b5bee.jpg]

Looking for an overview of the graph in the link, does this mean i am running bad or just playing bad?

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Means you are running as expected but losing too much money in non-showdown hands (eg- you are putting money in, then folding)..

Re: Help with Analysis, does this mean i suck or have just hit a bad r
 

Excuse my ignorance, but how do I even load hands to the software to begin with?

I have a few hand history files, now what?

edit: nevermind, need PT installed. noticed, thx

Re: Help with Analysis, does this mean i suck or have just hit a bad r
 

This looks like a really cool program. Can't wait until it works with PokerOffice. Add me to the list of people who would definitely consider paying for something like this.

Quick question: I skimmed the topic and I'm not sure if this works with tournaments yet? Sorry if I missed it.

Re: Help with Analysis, does this mean i suck or have just hit a bad r
 

Could somebody translate this for me? I have no clue how to use this software, but it seems useful.

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/9859/luckoj0.png
Shot at 2007-08-09

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Could somebody translate this for me? I have no clue how to use this software, but it seems useful.


Shot at 2007-08-09

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The top two lines display your showdown earnings vs what you should have won (Sklansky bucks via EV). You're down 1300, but should be down 900.

Re: Help with Analysis, does this mean i suck or have just hit a bad r
 

Could someone explain to me why I can't load hands?

The program automatically detects my PTO database (which has 200K+ hands in it) but no matter what options I choose, when I click "Load Hands" it does nothing (well, the button blinks).

Also, it says "No Players Found" in the Players box.

This is especially infuriating because I was able to get an earlier beta version to run on my old computer.

Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV
 

0.79 times out tomorrow or the day after depending on where you live. The latest version 0.8 is available for download, with a 5 week extension (Sept. 15th).

The next version with database backend is a major improvement with a several new features, so the current version will probably stay free, although I won't be providing support beyond fixing bugs.

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Could someone explain to me why I can't load hands?

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If you use posgresql, it's possible that your firewall is silently blocking the program from accessing the postgresql socket. It's also possible the timeout has kicked in on your computer.

Maybe try the latest version and let me know if you still have problems.

Re: Help with Analysis, does this mean i suck or have just hit a bad r
 

When is the new version up? It's still saying 0.79 at the download site.

I don't use postgresql, but is there any chance my firewall is blocking the socket anyway? Is there any way I can check?

And just so that we're clear, my database is large, but it won't even load the 1000 hands I played yesterday. It won't load even 1 hand. It also doesn't show the right name for my PLO database (it's stuck on the default "My first ...").

Re: Help with Analysis, does this mean i suck or have just hit a bad r
 

I noticed the download site now says v0.80, but when I download it, install, and run, it still says it's v0.79.

And I still have the exact same problem.

Re: Help with Analysis, does this mean i suck or have just hit a bad r
 

regarding the summary box in the graph, If your actual winning are greater then your equity adjusted winnings does that mean you "run good"?

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I noticed the download site now says v0.80, but when I download it, install, and run, it still says it's v0.79.

And I still have the exact same problem.

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Try clearing your browser cache, or download with a different browser. The version up at the website has been 0.8 since yesterday and says "Poker EV 0.8" on the title bar.

As for the Omaha database error, I'm not aware of any issues with database reads.

Could you send me a log file? Go to the settings tab, turn on logging, go to the settings tab, select holdem, select omaha, then turn logging off. There should be a log.txt file in your c:\program files\pokerev directory. Cut and paste the contents into a PM or email.

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regarding the summary box in the graph, If your actual winning are greater then your equity adjusted winnings does that mean you "run good"?

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On the luck graphs tab, yes.

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Could you send me a log file? Go to the settings tab, turn on logging, go to the settings tab, select holdem, select omaha, then turn logging off. There should be a log.txt file in your c:\program files\pokerev directory. Cut and paste the contents into a PM or email.

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I did everything you suggested (with v0.80) and did not get a log file.

I'm really decently computer literate, but I'm starting to feel like my mother-in-law on this one.

BTW, I assume you meant: "Go to the settings tab, turn on logging, go to the databases tab, select holdem, select omaha, then turn logging off"

Re: Help with Analysis, does this mean i suck or have just hit a bad r
 

Are you looking in the PokerEV directory (which is usually at c:\program files\pokerev)? I just did the same thing, and the log was created. Is the program blocked in some way by ZoneAlarm/Norton/McAfee or similar? Do you run as a low privilege account?

The only reason a logfile wouldn't be created was if PokerEV was blocked from writing to its own directory. I haven't encountered anyone unable to write a log as yet.

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I assume you meant...go to the databases tab

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Yes.

Re: Help with Analysis, does this mean i suck or have just hit a bad r
 

I decided to run it as an administrator.

All is now good.

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It should actually run without administrator privileges (apart from writing the log). Not sure what's going on.

Glad it's working now.

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Thanks for the program once again.

I think I'm running bad according to these but not sure. Could someone please tell me what these graphs tell you about my game?

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/paka99/g14.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i125/paka99/g15.jpg

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Phil,

is there any chance your wonderful program will work with sngs?

Thanks for your time and work
Stevens65

Analysis - anyone come up with a routine yet?
 

Can't seem to cut/paste my screenshot, but I think I'm the typical where SW and SB run together, but my total winnings (green) line is fairly flat.

I read in another post where Phil states there is probably a leak regarding hands on flop/turn with draws, etc.

My basic question is: has someone come up with a step-by-step routine of analysis for us newbs. This deserves a thread!!

Or alternatively, can someone PM me or reply to this with a strategy for leak-finding?

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Thanks for the program once again.

I think I'm running bad according to these but not sure. Could someone please tell me what these graphs tell you about my game?



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Looks like you've been screwed out of 950 bucks by luck!