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He's not happy about this at all, and is taking aim at everything, including the charity, not just the parties involved - the two other players and the tournament directors. I am not sure when they went to number of hands, but the player who took third is livid. First point: no reason for him to have conflict with anybody other than who was responsible for that final table period.


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Where exactly did Terrence take aim at the charity? In fact, he also spared both Dannemann and Elizabeth from blame. Way to misrepresent his post. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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That woman sounds completely unhinged.

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Someone should forward that stuff to her superiors. Her actions are completely unprofessional.

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Anyone willing to stand up for her? I guess we're all just wannabes?

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She obviously thinks she has it in with the people here, she cant be talking about everyone, so she must think she has inpressed some of the big dogs around here. So come on guys lets hear it, how great of a person is this lady?

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That woman sounds completely unhinged.

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Based on my experiences with her, yes, that sounds about right.

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Chan got screwed.

He got screwed because the celebs and "name" players though it was ok to collude because they are them and he is a "nobody" (either consciously or subconsciously).

And the tourney director is a complete idiot for allowing such a situation to occur.

1. You never change the rules mid game.
2. Didn't he see that such a situation was fraught with horrible possibilities for collusion and people getting screwed?

There were still 4 people left when this "change" went into effect. Immagine if you were 4th by a single chip and got nothing?

It's clear the money wasn't the driving factor for SE, she just wanted the "win" so she can go around talking about the tournament she "won" against all these big names.

She'll leave out the inconveinent details regarding the ridiculous turbo structure as well as the tourney just ending with 3 players remaining with chips

She needs to go back to making B movies where she takes off her clothes. That's all she's good for.

Oh and this Joy lady is being completely unprofessional. Insulting him and having a "well he won a prize, he should shut up" mentality.

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Sometimes you have to, but it's got to be fair.

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"Remember one thing, Terrence, you're not Johnny Chan, you're Terrence Chan."

hahahahahaha

i hope tchan is super vocal about this and spreads it to all message boards and poker rags. that beayatch layed down the gauntlet but she is so clearly in the wrong that i cant imagine the public would side with her. esp when its been confirmed that se and sd actually split the wsop entries. thats really all the proof you need that there was explicit collusion.

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Wow her responses have to qualify as the dumbest move EVER by someone acting in an official capacity for a charity.

She obviously could give a [censored] about the charity due to how her actions are going to negatively affect future events such as this one.

Even if the situation sucked and any resolution was going to be bad, you don't YELL at your customer for something that is due to YOUR POOR PLANNING. Just wow.

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i hope tchan is super vocal about this and spreads it to all message boards and poker rags. that beayatch layed down the gauntlet but she is so clearly in the wrong that i cant imagine the public would side with her. esp when its been confirmed that se and sd actually split the wsop entries. thats really all the proof you need that there was explicit collusion.

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Not to speak too much for Terrence but I can assure you even after all the horrible things this Joy(most ironic name of all time) Miller has said about him and others, he won't drag her through the mud. He will leave that for others.

His only interest is the integrity of the game and fairness. If Joy and the people at the charity who hired her came to their senses and admitted their decisions compromised a fair outcome to the event which led directly to the obvious and admitted colussion with Elizabeth, Dannenmann and Duke, it would be a dead issue for him.

I'm assuming they do want people to attend their event again next year.

At some point you would also think that one of Elizabeth, Duke or Dannenmann might step up to the plate here and contact the event organizers to admit that what went down was wrong and that they aren't comfortable with how Terrance has been treated.

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I think we need Joy's email. what a bitch.

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Apparently she wants to fight all interweb poker n00bz. She posted this in Terrence's blog:

joyjoy712003@yahoo.com, 310-621-7005

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wow what an annoying story. i would be pissed. anyone hiding behind the 'this was a charity event' obviously didn't put up the 1500 entry fee.

anyone have an email address for the charity? i'd like to send them an email and copy Joy on it telling them how wrong this is

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Charity is called the Urban Health Institute.
url - www.uhinstitute.org
contact e-mail info@uhinstitute.org.

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cool.

email sent; thanks

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Oh, and:

http://terrencechan.livejournal.com/...23145#t1323145

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I DARE YOU! I [censored] dare YOU...we are a 510 c3 organization and if you want me to personally mail/email your ignorant ass who has benefited from the charity then i will. we had a WSOP TD running the tournament by CA and USTD rules and if you EVER EVER EVER again question the integrity of the tournament, I DARE you to call us...ummm..what did you say? wrong, illegal and unethical to my [censored] face!

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Wow ! she works for a charity huh? and this things name is Joy?

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Apparently she wants to fight all interweb poker n00bz. She posted this in Terrence's blog:

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Thats just one of many mistakes shes made recently.

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Oh, and:

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I DARE YOU! I [censored] dare YOU...we are a 510 c3 organization and if you want me to personally mail/email your ignorant ass who has benefited from the charity then i will. we had a WSOP TD running the tournament by CA and USTD rules and if you EVER EVER EVER again question the integrity of the tournament, I DARE you to call us...ummm..what did you say? wrong, illegal and unethical to my [censored] face!

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Wow ! she works for a charity huh? and this things name is Joy?

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Apparently she wants to fight all interweb poker n00bz. She posted this in Terrence's blog:

joyjoy712003@yahoo.com, 310-621-7005

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Thats just one of many mistakes shes made recently.

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Sending an email directly to her probably won't do much good. She can just ignore/trash 'em. It's really about who you cc on the email. Her boss, charitable organization PR person, Dateline (heh, heh), etc.

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i sent the email to the charity.

i only copied her on it for fun

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I'm an acquaintance of Terrence, and I read his blog fairly regularly. I have to say, this is total bush-league [censored] here, and everyone seems to know this.

How Joy Miller could be so in the wrong here and still think she is right is absurd to me.

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Abusing Joy or, worse, the associated charity via phone or email is extremely wrong, and I'm sure it would lead Terrence to regret ever posting this at all. Don't do it.

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Abusing Joy or, worse, the associated charity via phone or email is extremely wrong, and I'm sure it would lead Terrence to regret ever posting this at all. Don't do it.

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if you think the charity would not like to know any of this you are one extremely foolish person. e-mail sent I'm sure it wont be the last.

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wow is all I can say. Is this chick serious? Does Terrence not get to claim even the 3rd place prize? I hope this chick never gets another job hosting a tournament. People should go to any tournament ask if she is working and decline to enter.

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Abusing Joy or, worse, the associated charity via phone or email is extremely wrong, and I'm sure it would lead Terrence to regret ever posting this at all. Don't do it.

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Sarcasm tags? Nobody should abuse the charity, but they should bring to its attention who's representing it...

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Eh, abuse is only short lived, and the issue with her is MUCH bigger than a poker thing- it's a wannabe celebrity hobknobbing thing. She clearly has a big time god complex- imho, getting her thrown out on her ass from her little PR firm would be a nice rectification.

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She even looks like a bitch.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ageMasters.jpg

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What a trashy bizza:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...onWalhroos.jpg

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Annie Duke should never been invited to the playboy mansion, she looks like a man anyway and a mediocre poker player.

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I'll bet you could probably even sue. Might now win, but the bluff would be believable. You entered into a contract. The terms (blinds and prizes) were explicity stated. You entered into the contract and held up your end. They didn't.

Like I said, I'm not sure you'd win, but if I was the CEO of the charity and received a letter from a lawyer laying out the case I'd crap my pants. I'll bet some lawyer here be willing to make the bluff.

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Abusing Joy or, worse, the associated charity via phone or email is extremely wrong, and I'm sure it would lead Terrence to regret ever posting this at all. Don't do it.

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I kinda foresaw this happening, based on some comments in Terrence's LJ and here.

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I really don't think she's mentally stable. I have trouble imagining a profession behaving like this. I guess Olivert should be glad he's no longer alone and a can at least say, I'm glad I'm not her.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...page=0&vc=1

You really should read the threads over at terrence's blog, but for those that don't feel like it I pulled some of the better Joy comments.

She confirmed that she said the following to Terrence on the phone with one correction which is also listed below

"I know everyone in poker. All of them know that I am in no way shady, that I do good work for this charity."

"I am here with the people at CardPlayer, at PokerPages, at [other media outlets I can't remember] so good luck with your career." She says she added, "when I HAVE ANY SAY"

"Remember one thing, Terrence, you're not Johnny Chan, you're Terrence Chan."

"I think you are [censored]."

"You can ask anyone on 2+2, and anyone who knows me knows that I am totally honest and not shady at all, and if you post on 2+2, there will be a few wannabes that don't know me, and everyone that knows me will just laugh at you."

"I'm refunding your money because you didn't sign anything, there's no evidence that you won anything, and don't even try to claim your prizes because they've been donated to charity."


When someone suggested legal action


"I DARE YOU! I [censored] dare YOU...we are a 510 c3 organization and if you want me to personally mail/email your ignorant ass who has benefited from the charity then i will. we had a WSOP TD running the tournament by CA and USTD rules and if you EVER EVER EVER again question the integrity of the tournament, I DARE you to call us...ummm..what did you say? wrong, illegal and unethical to my [censored] face! AGAIN...the choices were MINE do NOT call in to question the charity or anyone else involved. My email and phone number are below..,have your FATHER the Auctioneer call me...ASK someone who you MIGHT actually know in poker who i am...or maybe you should just get on Match.com and find a boyfriend instead of kissing Terrence's ass to get a date"

When someone told her she was hurting her own reputation and should take an anger management course after apologizing she replied

"YOU can kiss my ass...you don't know me. you read a blog. the end. I left my email and phone numnber below if you ever actually buy in to an event over $300 or do more than troll poker websites to talk [censored] about things you have NO idea about, then YOU can APOLIGIZE to ME!"


When someone asked what month's playboy she was in, she replied

"The one ur Dad left your Mom for you piece of [censored].

This was serious and you had too much NERDY time on this [censored] to pay attention to other people. Why don't you go do soemthing that affects the world?"


And lastly to a guy who was there

"If you were at the WSOP (i'm assuming in the audience like a common person, obviously not playing or i would have know who you are)"

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If you can manage to find her myspace page (not very difficult), she apparently seems to be rather heavily involved in promoting porn starlets as well as the WSOP.

Her personality issues seem to run much deeper than this incident- her myspace is filled with very similar rants and quips.

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this reminds me of the time Annie Duke grabbed someone's cards after the hand was over and looked at them; I don't remember the details but it was on TV and they were playing for real money (the TOC where she won 2 mil maybe)... I was stunned to see a "professional" do something I hadn't seen outside of .01/.02 home games... now I know she's just a [censored] with no honor

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Sure you aren't thinking of Jennifer Harman sneeking a peek at Phil Laak's cards on PAD?

The amount of libel on this board is amazing. People will write complete rubbish.

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Annie has done this in televised tournaments. You're right about the libel, but you should save those complaints for cases where the author is actually full of [censored].

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Notice that I was just asking for confirmation because you can't believe 90% of what you read here. I never said the poster was full of [censored]. (Still would like to see a youtube video, not a book reference, of Duke looking in the muck, since to me that is such outrageous cheating that its hard to believe. For the same reason I'm inclined to think J Harman must have only been mimicking it.)

If the poker player isn't in the 2+2 click, he'll be trashed here with complete disregard for anything that comes close to being considered evidence. Sad... well, not really, since no one of real importance gives a [censored] what is written on NVG.

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this reminds me of the time Annie Duke grabbed someone's cards after the hand was over and looked at them; I don't remember the details but it was on TV and they were playing for real money (the TOC where she won 2 mil maybe)... I was stunned to see a "professional" do something I hadn't seen outside of .01/.02 home games... now I know she's just a [censored] with no honor

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Sure you aren't thinking of Jennifer Harman sneeking a peek at Phil Laak's cards on PAD?

The amount of libel on this board is amazing. People will write complete rubbish.

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Annie has done this in televised tournaments. You're right about the libel, but you should save those complaints for cases where the author is actually full of [censored].

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Notice that I was just asking for confirmation because you can't believe 90% of what you read here. I never said the poster was full of [censored]. (Still would like to see a youtube video, not a book reference, of Duke looking in the muck, since to me that is such outrageous cheating that its hard to believe. For the same reason I'm inclined to think J Harman must have only been mimicking it.)

If the poker player isn't in the 2+2 click, he'll be trashed here with complete disregard for anything that comes close to being considered evidence. Sad... well, not really, since no one of real importance gives a [censored] what is written on NVG.

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This thread has a split personality.

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this reminds me of the time Annie Duke grabbed someone's cards after the hand was over and looked at them; I don't remember the details but it was on TV and they were playing for real money (the TOC where she won 2 mil maybe)... I was stunned to see a "professional" do something I hadn't seen outside of .01/.02 home games... now I know she's just a [censored] with no honor

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Sure you aren't thinking of Jennifer Harman sneeking a peek at Phil Laak's cards on PAD?

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like WutRUTryin2Hit mentioned:

Check out the book - positively 5th street by James McManus. Theres a mention of Annie Duke pulling a guys cards out of the muck (i think it was tony Ma) during a 1k sat for the main event.

Also i believe DN in the past had made posts in rgp about Annie Duke and situations similar to this but i cant find them at the moment nor do i know if theyre true or not.

This reminds me of a past prelim WSOP broadcast from either 04 or 05. There was some kind of argument with AD and some other guy. I think ESPN cut away from the final table they were broadcasting to check in on a Omaha 8/b tournament and Annie Duke was really worked up and nearly screaming at someone (i think it was Gank/ Brett Jungblut ). That was when i decided i didnt like this women.
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It gets worse. The latest on Terrence's blog comments by Joy Miller to his blog, she doesn't represent herself very well. My favorite line of hers is "Remember one thing, Terrence, you're not Johnny Chan, you're Terrence Chan." I guess if he was Johnny Chan they would have done something different?



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It seems apropos to relate an Annie Duke anecdote here. In the $5K NLH at the '03 WSOP, we got down to two tables with a couple of empty spots. Annie limped UTG, I raised from MP with AKs, and Annie stacked. I was getting almost 3:1 and called; she had KK. I windowed a big, fat, pretty A, however, and sent her packing. Although I was dead silent, she lit me up in a Hellmuthian rant: "that was a stone awful play. You're just terrible. I can't believe you did that. You simply suck." It went on for about thirty seconds, whereupon Johnny Chan quietly said: "Be quiet. I would have done the same thing he did."

She blushed, shut up, and left. But it sealed my impression of her as an egocentric, hypocritical, arrogant bitch. And by the way, that's not libel.

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"Suck a bag of dicks"

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Ugh, just read this. Such a gross situation. The good news is that it's so gross that I'm pretty sure anyone who hears about this, from any side of the story, will end up supporting you, Terrence.

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I actually got a response from her from my email that was quite brief:

from the JoyJoy email addy sent at 6:30 pm today:

i also directly with Bob Daily, who was in attendance. i date a former WSOP champion (surprised that hasn't come out on the 2+2 yet), our TD was an assistant TD from WSOP, there was no collusion.

Terrence had open option to point out that he didn't like Annie sitting with Steve for OVER AN HOUR! and we would have moved her. He never did, he waited until the next day to post a blog and have outsiders who weren't at the event give their two cents.

while i appreciate you contacting me civily and without animosity, i do NOT have any misunderstandings. Shannon was not in collusion with Steve, Annie was not coaching him except that he was so drunk, she told him to fold. In all honesty, Dannenmann had 6 friends there who were yelling the same thing.

i haven't gotten on the sites to defend the charity because 2+2 is gossip and Terrence's blog is skewed towards him.i'm responding to you because you were one of the few whom actually emailed with questions, not threats. which, again, thank you.

i appreciate Terrence's $1500 donation, it was also tax-deductible, which, as you know, is an appeal for poker players who claim their income. he does NOT deserve for us to buy him a seat at the WSOP, i knowthe rules, they were followed, and while i regret that he feels wronged, he not only wasn't---he had NUMEROUS opportunities to voice his opinion;.

i've worked with the WSOP for over 2 years, and if there was ANY hint of collusion, we would have addressed it. I'm sure you're going to believe Terrence as he is "the nice guy whose just trying to get whats owed to him", but that's not the truth. Terrence won third place, and got a second place prize. we were vocal about the time limit, i WAS the one who told Terrence, if he wanted to play it out then we'd have to pay $30,000. everyone keeps sayibg "if it WAS a real tournament", well if it was...we would have been playing in a venue where we didn't have a time constraint.

hope this clears up why i haven't responded


my email to the charity and her:


http://terrencechan.livejournal.com/

Thought you might want to see some of the 'press' generated by your latest Charity Event. From what I understand 7000+ views so far in 2 days.

Colluding at a poker table is cheating...whether it is for a charity event or not.

It can't be good for your organization that it would seem colluding has gone unpunished...and the player who finished 3rd has been berated by one of your organizers.

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Joy must be able to turn on the charm for the right people. Hard to understand how she ever gets a job otherwise. It's a little unfair in a way to pile on her too much as she apparently is an incompetent when it comes to defending herself. Like another poster said, she really is a "Bless her heart" case.

One thing that bothers me. From what I gather it looks like Joy did try to accomodate Terrence by getting Shannon E. and Steve D. to agree on splitting the First Place Prize so that Terrance could be awarded the Second Place Golf Package Prize which Joy valued at $15,000. If Terrence didn't want the prize couldn't he have just sold it on ebay? If it really had a value of $15,000 he probably could have gotten $10,000 for it and bought his own entry into the WSOP. He'd have been even with the other two then.

Sounds like he was given a chance to mitigate his perceived damages and failed to do so. I have to wonder if his judgement wasn't clouded over an inflamed desire for a pound of flesh.

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Which unlucky bastard would this be?

And does this woman say anything without pointing out how many "famous" people she knows?

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amarillo slim?