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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm such an idiot. I'm also a liability with too many buy-ins. I'm going to try this short stacking idea. I mean, I know this kind of play backwards and forwards. Probably better than NL cash players at ginormous levels. Does this mean that if I try shortstacking, that I should playing a level that assumes this is my buy-in? Or should I still be playing a level that assumes a full buy-in for my bankroll? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- take this fwiw, but in the 100k hands I played of this, I think about 2/3 the regular bankroll requirement for the level is about right. could probably get by with half, but i'm always consevitive about it. standerd deviation for full buying runs in the 27 to 30 range. for short buying it's in the 17ish range. (all that is from memory, as i don't have my data handy, but if the numbers are screwy, the reletive difference I'm sure of) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just to make what I think lacky is saying concrete, you would need $3000 if you bought in for $100 each time at 100NL, and $1700 if you bought in for $20 each time at 100NL. Correct? [/ QUOTE ] yes, thats what i was saying. It seems like alot buyin wise if you consider your "buyin" to be $20, but i think it's pretty realistic. in 100k hands of mostly shortbuy play at 2/4 i had a couple -$4000 to -$4500 runs, so about 10 to 11 regular buyins. no reason to think i maxed out the theoretical bad run. I also ran it through some simulator. I dont remember what it said exactly, but I remeber 6000 to 8000 range seemed plenty, and I had more, so didnt worry much about it. |
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Also we need to factor in that I will suck for a while, and probably in a high-variance call-too-much/lose-big-pots kind of way. IE - maybe I'll be a slight winner but my swings will be horrid.
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Also we need to factor in that I will suck for a while, and probably in a high-variance call-too-much/lose-big-pots kind of way. IE - maybe I'll be a slight winner but my swings will be horrid. [/ QUOTE ] not trying to be anything here, but i can tell from this post you really don't know what im talking about for the most part. we can talk later, im too tired now, but basicaly you shove your 20 bb or so over a raise whenever you think your hand is over there range for that raise, or if in late position, you raise. if you get callers, the size of your stack that is left is less than the pot. it's going in, whether they do it or you do it doesnt matter, it goes in. you are still thinking of the whole thing wrong. how the f you gonna have this "high-variance call-too-much/lose-big-pots" come up when your shortstacked. there are no big pots, just you shoving your petty amount, anoying the guy that raised from the cutoff with 78s, cause now he is behind with no implied odds. sometimes he calls and you guys race, sometimes he folds and you get his 3 or 4 bb raise. nowhere is there big pots, or an opertunaty for big wrong calls. |
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Yeah, like I said forget about the variance stuff. I may be a losing or breakeven player for a bit. BR reqs for that are higher.
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Lacky,
About how many ptbb/100 could one expect to make shortstacking in the style you describe? |
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Lacky, About how many ptbb/100 could one expect to make shortstacking in the style you describe? [/ QUOTE ] 2 to 3, maybe 4 at lower limit tables, donno. but at 2/4, 2 to 3, much less than is possible deepstacking, but it is somewhat offset by being able to play more tables and the lower br required. |
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I predict lacky - aka shorstack guru - is going to be real popular in the mid stakes cash world real soon.
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Short stacking seems to me like it would be a lot more effective the higher you go in stakes.
Seems like it would work best where there is a lot of light 3-betting going on!? |
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I predict lacky - aka shorstack guru - is going to be real popular in the mid stakes cash world real soon. [/ QUOTE ] not likely, as that was about 8 months ago when I was doing that, and haven't done much since. I did get my very own hate thread though [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...page=&vc=1 oh, and for the record, i never ratholed, after i left a table i would stay away, unless i forgot where i had been, then if anyone said anything to remind me i would leave. the rest is 100% acurate [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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Nice thread - you should bump it with your real identity. By guru I mean teaching others fyi.
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meh, i just got a kick out of it, no reason to bump it. all my names are availible from p5, and i've been anoying people enough at plo that someone will make the conection eventually.
[ QUOTE ] By guru I mean teaching others fyi. [/ QUOTE ] meh, thats so much like work. I'm to busy being guru to 4 daughters. besides, there's lots of thing i'm better at than shortbuying 6max nl. thats just something i did for a few month and made some money at. |
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PokerStars Game #8109110685: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/25 - 00:17:08 (ET)
Table 'Klonios III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: 4_2_it ($194 in chips) Seat 2: Ghostridahii ($99.50 in chips) Seat 3: d2ton1 ($31.90 in chips) Seat 4: AjaxAchill ($151 in chips) Seat 5: {WC}COBRA ($110.65 in chips) Seat 6: BigJJ99 ($69.35 in chips) {WC}COBRA: posts small blind $0.50 BigJJ99: posts big blind $1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to AjaxAchill [8c 3c] 4_2_it: folds Ghostridahii: folds d2ton1: calls $1 AjaxAchill: raises $3 to $4 {WC}COBRA: calls $3.50 BigJJ99: folds d2ton1: folds *** FLOP *** [2c 7s 2d] {WC}COBRA: checks AjaxAchill: bets $7 {WC}COBRA: calls $7 *** TURN *** [2c 7s 2d] [9s] {WC}COBRA: checks AjaxAchill: checks *** RIVER *** [2c 7s 2d 9s] [3h] {WC}COBRA: bets $12 AjaxAchill: raises $12 to $24 {WC}COBRA: calls $12 *** SHOW DOWN *** AjaxAchill: shows [8c 3c] (two pair, Threes and Deuces) {WC}COBRA: mucks hand AjaxAchill collected $69 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $72 | Rake $3 Board [2c 7s 2d 9s 3h] Seat 1: 4_2_it folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: Ghostridahii folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: d2ton1 folded before Flop Seat 4: AjaxAchill (button) showed [8c 3c] and won ($69) with two pair, Threes and Deuces Seat 5: {WC}COBRA (small blind) mucked [As Js] Seat 6: BigJJ99 (big blind) folded before Flop Comments on every street welcome...LOL...can he call my donkey minraise on the river with A high? I had him on a bluff, so i minraised to keep it cheap, if he has something... |
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This must be a brag post?
If not, the only street I like is the turn. |
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herc that hand is pretty bad on every street except the turn.
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This hand is horrible...agreed. Ok lets say i have AK. My question was just if he can really call with A high? I was pretty sure that he was on a bluff (he did exactly the same manouver 20 hands before. I just didnt want to show my hand down (for some good reasons [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]). So would you every call here? I mean, he doesn`t even beat a bluff like a small PP etc.
He can put me on AK/AQ, but even then its obv not a call... |
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Herc,
I'm not sure why people are dissing this hand. Its completely standard for a good postflop player to make this raise PF. |
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re Herc's hand
preflop isn't horrible, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's standard. It's 83s with 3 people waiting to act in a fairly low stakes game. c-bet is standard. I don't like river, but I guess it did work as a value bet vs. this opponent. |
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This hand is horrible...agreed. Ok lets say i have AK. My question was just if he can really call with A high? I was pretty sure that he was on a bluff (he did exactly the same manouver 20 hands before. I just didnt want to show my hand down (for some good reasons [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]). So would you every call here? I mean, he doesn`t even beat a bluff like a small PP etc. He can put me on AK/AQ, but even then its obv not a call... [/ QUOTE ] He can call with whatever he wants getting 5-1 odds and it won't make much of a difference. |
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as a newbie SNG player it seems to me like you have to be on serious tilt to play cash games
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Alright any feedback on these hands is appreciated....
Hand1 Been tight and opponent is a reg whos been raising on button quite often. POKERSTARS GAME #8051376219: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/01/21 - 12:06:38 (ET) Table 'Maia III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: snakekilla88 ($1372.10 in chips) Seat 2: snowm8n ($202.25 in chips) Seat 3: coopsey ($722.15 in chips) Seat 4: PoorUser ($976.60 in chips) Seat 5: Ceber ($564 in chips) Seat 6: smoothlee ($230.25 in chips) smoothlee: posts small blind $3 snakekilla88: posts big blind $6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to snakekilla88 [Qs Kh] snowm8n: folds coopsey: folds PoorUser: folds Ceber: raises $18 to $24 smoothlee: folds snakekilla88: raises $48 to $72 Ceber: calls $48 *** FLOP *** [Kc Td 8s] snakekilla88: bets $108 Ceber: calls $108 *** TURN *** [Kc Td 8s] [9s] snakekilla88: checks Ceber: bets $200 snakekilla88: raises $992.10 to $1192.10 and is all-in Hand2 I am running good so I make a loose preflop call. Villan is a regular who has been datamined as a loser over a pretty big sample size but has been playing pretty solid this session. POKERSTARS GAME #8097822941: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/01/24 - 10:32:08 (ET) Table 'Kerstin' 6-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: Psier ($858.55 in chips) Seat 2: snakekilla88 ($2239.45 in chips) Seat 3: pam the best ($267.10 in chips) Seat 4: b!g_tree ($214.85 in chips) Seat 5: Sleepy80 ($794.40 in chips) Seat 6: ken the cow ($815 in chips) b!g_tree: posts small blind $3 Sleepy80: posts big blind $6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to snakekilla88 [3d 2d] ken the cow: folds Psier: raises $18 to $24 snakekilla88: calls $24 pam the best: folds b!g_tree: folds Sleepy80: folds *** FLOP *** [Qd 8d 7h] Psier: bets $36 snakekilla88: calls $36 *** TURN *** [Qd 8d 7h] [7d] Psier: bets $101 Sleepy80 is sitting out snakekilla88: raises $163 to $264 Psier: raises $534.55 to $798.55 and is all-in snakekilla88: says ughhh and calls $534.55 Hand3 POKERSTARS GAME #8098083348: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/01/24 - 11:01:50 (ET) Table 'Pavo' 6-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: catcher3333 ($1040 in chips) Seat 2: Wyern ($1000 in chips) Seat 3: Evergrey ($1000 in chips) Seat 4: tires23 ($1082 in chips) Seat 5: snakekilla88 ($1371.25 in chips) Seat 6: xapla ($962 in chips) snakekilla88: posts small blind $5 xapla: posts big blind $10 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to snakekilla88 [Qc Qs] catcher3333: folds Wyern: calls $10 Evergrey: folds tires23: calls $10 snakekilla88: raises $45 to $55 xapla: calls $45 Wyern: calls $45 tires23: calls $45 *** FLOP *** [6s 9d Kh] snakekilla88: bets $166 -4 opponents in the pot how often do you bet the flop here? |
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Ok...funny calls part two....
You have to know that i am very laggy. I`m raising very much with hands like example one. Ok: My image is prolly worse than horrible, i raised the last 5 hands and won without showdown...but thats still no explanation for what happened: AMAZING!!!! And pastorbator is right [ok, who am i to say that]...for a laggy play you almost raise ATC on the BT... PokerStars Game #8111647170: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/25 - 06:24:52 (ET) Table 'Roxane III' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: chikara1193 ($90 in chips) Seat 3: miguesu ($77.35 in chips) Seat 4: japiooooo ($32.40 in chips) Seat 5: THESLOTHS1 ($152.95 in chips) Seat 6: AjaxAchill ($198.10 in chips) Seat 7: NH_TY_SIR ($81.10 in chips) Seat 8: Agent C2 ($269.80 in chips) Seat 9: MeBeKing ($117.95 in chips) NH_TY_SIR: posts small blind $0.50 Agent C2: posts big blind $1 OleLucky: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to AjaxAchill [Ad Ah] MeBeKing: folds chikara1193: folds miguesu: raises $1 to $2 japiooooo: calls $2 THESLOTHS1: folds AjaxAchill: raises $6 to $8 NH_TY_SIR: calls $7.50 Agent C2: folds miguesu: calls $6 japiooooo: calls $6 *** FLOP *** [4c 9s Th] NH_TY_SIR: checks miguesu: checks japiooooo: checks AjaxAchill: bets $30 NH_TY_SIR: folds miguesu: calls $30 japiooooo: folds *** TURN *** [4c 9s Th] [6h] miguesu: checks AjaxAchill: bets $160.10 and is all-in miguesu: calls $39.35 and is all-in *** RIVER *** [4c 9s Th 6h] [7d] *** SHOW DOWN *** miguesu: shows [7h 2c] (a pair of Sevens) AjaxAchill: shows [Ad Ah] (a pair of Aces) AjaxAchill collected $168.70 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $171.70 | Rake $3 Board [4c 9s Th 6h 7d] Seat 1: chikara1193 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: miguesu showed [7h 2c] and lost with a pair of Sevens Seat 4: japiooooo folded on the Flop Seat 5: THESLOTHS1 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: AjaxAchill (button) showed [Ad Ah] and won ($168.70) with a pair of Aces Seat 7: NH_TY_SIR (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 8: Agent C2 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: MeBeKing folded before Flop (didn't bet) |
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PokerStars Game #8109110685: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/25 - 00:17:08 (ET) Table 'Klonios III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: 4_2_it ($194 in chips) Seat 2: Ghostridahii ($99.50 in chips) Seat 3: d2ton1 ($31.90 in chips) Seat 4: AjaxAchill ($151 in chips) Seat 5: {WC}COBRA ($110.65 in chips) Seat 6: BigJJ99 ($69.35 in chips) {WC}COBRA: posts small blind $0.50 BigJJ99: posts big blind $1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to AjaxAchill [8c 3c] 4_2_it: folds Ghostridahii: folds d2ton1: calls $1 AjaxAchill: raises $3 to $4 {WC}COBRA: calls $3.50 BigJJ99: folds d2ton1: folds *** FLOP *** [2c 7s 2d] {WC}COBRA: checks AjaxAchill: bets $7 {WC}COBRA: calls $7 *** TURN *** [2c 7s 2d] [9s] {WC}COBRA: checks AjaxAchill: checks *** RIVER *** [2c 7s 2d 9s] [3h] {WC}COBRA: bets $12 AjaxAchill: raises $12 to $24 {WC}COBRA: calls $12 *** SHOW DOWN *** AjaxAchill: shows [8c 3c] (two pair, Threes and Deuces) {WC}COBRA: mucks hand AjaxAchill collected $69 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $72 | Rake $3 Board [2c 7s 2d 9s 3h] Seat 1: 4_2_it folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: Ghostridahii folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: d2ton1 folded before Flop Seat 4: AjaxAchill (button) showed [8c 3c] and won ($69) with two pair, Threes and Deuces Seat 5: {WC}COBRA (small blind) mucked [As Js] Seat 6: BigJJ99 (big blind) folded before Flop [/ QUOTE ] Depends on how bad he is, but raise on river is often gonna get called by better hands and is way to thin. Also just fold this preflop. |
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[ QUOTE ] PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com Button ($20.35) SB ($21.40) BB ($7.20) UTG ($6.35) MP ($27.50) Hero ($30.05) Preflop: Hero is CO with J, K. UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold, UTG folds. Flop: ($3) 9, T, 2 (2 players) SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls $2. Turn: ($7) 7 (2 players) SB checks, Hero checks. River: ($7) K (2 players) SB bets $7, Hero calls $7. [/ QUOTE ] Well played. [ QUOTE ] PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com MP ($29.15) CO ($21.30) Button ($31.30) Hero ($25.65) BB ($26.85) UTG ($24.15) Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K. UTG raises to $1.25, 1 fold, CO calls $1.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.75, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.50, CO folds. Flop: ($9) J, A, 4 (2 players) Hero bets $6.5, UTG calls $6.50. Turn: ($22) 6 (2 players) Hero checks, UTG checks. River: ($22) 4 (2 players) Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10. Final Pot: $42 [/ QUOTE ] At higher stakes, you sometimes check behind this turn for pot control. This is 25nl and the guy will rarely ever fold an ace and you have no reason to think your beat! So keep betting and extract value so bet like 3/4pot. As played if you are going to check turn (which I still dont reccomend at 25nl) you should bet way closer to pot on the river. You basically disguised how strong your hand is by checking turn and you are defenitely ahead so just bet more and ull get called. Like the worst move alot of people do is c/b flop check turn and bet river with air and they always get looked up light so when you have a hand make sure you get max value. [ QUOTE ] PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com CO ($18.95) Button ($22.65) SB ($12.45) BB ($5.15) UTG ($27.65) Hero ($26.75) Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A. 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold. Flop: ($2.25) J, 6, 5 (2 players) SB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $2.75, SB calls $2.25. Turn: ($7.75) 4 (2 players) SB checks, Hero bets $5.25, SB folds. Final Pot: $13 [/ QUOTE ] Yeah well played. This will happen alot so dont second guess yourself. You played this very well. [ QUOTE ] PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com UTG ($14.75) MP ($10.30) CO ($9.15) Hero ($24.90) SB ($19.90) BB ($50.35) Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, A. 3 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75. Flop: ($3) T, A, 9 (3 players) SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2.5, SB folds, BB calls $2.50. Turn: ($8) Q (2 players) BB checks, Hero checks. River: ($8) Q (2 players) BB bets $1.5, Hero calls $1.50. Final Pot: $11 [/ QUOTE ] Why did you get scared on turn and river? Remember this is 25nl you beat worse two pair and other one pair hands that he will probally call you down with! Plus the flop is rainbow so no fd draws but bet to get value out of QJ if hes still around as well. So on turn fire again for like $6. I hope cash is going good for you gl and I might drop down a few levels to take your money. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. |
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LOL, snakezilla...do you think i raised for value????
NO WAY....i thought like 90% that i am good. I only raised for obv reasons = DONT SHOW DOWN 83s !!! And i raised min, just to be able to get away if he has it and my read would be wrong...:) But maybe you can comment hand two from me:) more funny... |
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LOL, snakezilla...do you think i raised for value???? NO WAY....i thought like 90% that i am good. I only raised for obv reasons = DONT SHOW DOWN 83s !!! And i raised min, just to be able to get away if he has it and my read would be wrong...:) But maybe you can comment hand two from me:) more funny... [/ QUOTE ] This is flawed logic. If you think your good but he wont call with worse then why are you betting. Showing down 83s is fine, just remember that you showed it down and adjust to how he will view you. That other hand you pasted is WOW, add him to the buddy list for sure. Comment on my 3 hands now [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. |
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Ok snake:
Hand1: Like it if Villain is uber-aggro. Else i would say its spew. Hand2: Against good Villain always spew...unless he calls here with trips... Hand3: Do peple really fold KJ here? If you wanna rep AK, it can be expensive to 3 barrel, if someone does have a K. I like a check/fold in this spot more I hate to sound that negative. And maybe i am just wrong, because i never played that high:) about your comment "flawed logic": I didn`t want to show down 83, because i wanted to keep on stealing blinds. If i show that crap down, i can`t cbet the next ten years:). I dont want that they play back with nadda. If they raise me, i always know that i need a strong hand. But if i show that crap...i don`t get any freerolls... |
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Suzzer - in regard to buying in short, this is a good read.
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wow Herc sounds like I am the spew master thanks for the advice!
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To all of the hands that were posted in this thread,
Holy [censored] post it in SSNL. You need help. Also, i was KIDDING with the hercules 83s hand. I recommend giving your money to a homeless person if you're gonna play the hand like that. It will go to better use. |
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wow Herc sounds like I am the spew master thanks for the advice! [/ QUOTE ] Lol, i guess i sound some sarcasm in the comment?!...I told ya that i don`t play 3/6...and i thoght its spew...so what "advice" do you expect from a NL 100 ? I just said what i thought... |
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[ QUOTE ] wow Herc sounds like I am the spew master thanks for the advice! [/ QUOTE ] Lol, i guess i sound some sarcasm in the comment?!...I told ya that i don`t play 3/6...and i thoght its spew...so what "advice" do you expect from a NL 100 ? I just said what i thought... [/ QUOTE ] it is spew |
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To all of the hands that were posted in this thread, Holy [censored] post it in SSNL. You need help. Also, i was KIDDING with the hercules 83s hand. I recommend giving your money to a homeless person if you're gonna play the hand like that. It will go to better use. [/ QUOTE ] What about you coaching me *lol*. No serious, my 83s raise PF was for sure not for value, but for image and position. There`s no big difference between raising this and 45s. Most of the time you don`t hit and cbet and fold if raised. You even fold most of the time when you pair a 4 or 5 (against a raise)...So you just have to see whats going on and how he proceeds. The only time you get paid of with 45s stuff is when villain has a good hand by himself. But he`ll likely reraise that PF so i wont even see a flop... Ok, my river play was a totally read thing. Whats so bad about it? if i`m sure he has nadda and if i dont wanna show down crap, what else am i gonna do? |
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[ QUOTE ] To all of the hands that were posted in this thread, Holy [censored] post it in SSNL. You need help. Also, i was KIDDING with the hercules 83s hand. I recommend giving your money to a homeless person if you're gonna play the hand like that. It will go to better use. [/ QUOTE ] What about you coaching me *lol*. No serious, my 83s raise PF was for sure not for value, but for image and position. There`s no big difference between raising this and 45s. Most of the time you don`t hit and cbet and fold if raised. You even fold most of the time when you pair a 4 or 5 (against a raise)...So you just have to see whats going on and how he proceeds. The only time you get paid of with 45s stuff is when villain has a good hand by himself. But he`ll likely reraise that PF so i wont even see a flop... Ok, my river play was a totally read thing. Whats so bad about it? if i`m sure he has nadda and if i dont wanna show down crap, what else am i gonna do? [/ QUOTE ] herc, if you raised for image, then showing down crap is exactly what you want to do. |
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Hercules, you aren't really thinking at all about the game your are in. You are playing 100NL. The reason 100NL is so profitable is people call way to much.
So, conversely, raising with 83s cannot be a great play. You are doing it for image, but I think you are losing more by playing complete trash, then what you're gaining from establishing an image. Finally, you keep defending your dumb useless raise on the river by saying you are trying to not show the hand down. Well, if you don't want to show 83s down, don't play it. People call way to much, so raising with garbage is going to lead to showing down your hands when you hit that garbage. |
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Herc,
I stand corrected. |
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Yep futu, raising for image means for me just that the guys see, that i raise much. They shouldn`t see what i raise. I wanna give no info away. But if i raise for image, i actually should show that hand down with an ultra fishy call on the river...
I thought over it and I guess you`re right guys. I just posted the hand for fun (not because i thought it was good by any meanings...i just wanted to hear if one can call with A high here...). But in the long run its just silly to do that stuff. This time it went good, but the other times i prolly loose a decent amount of money, where i wasn`t pressured to invest one cent... 1) Ok, but i`m interested what range you guys usually would raise/repop from the BT? 2) Ok, i guess we raise something like 78s every time from the BT. We miss the flop, we cbet and get called. Do you give it up right here? If yes, where`s the difference between trash and 78s ? Are the times when you hit a 7 or the 5% of the time you hit a monster so significant important? I mean, its not that only you have to hit a monster. Villain has to have at least something to pay you off... Thx for the advice. I appreciate it, hopefully it prevents me from spewing in future... |
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PT question about cash,
when looking at session notes, there are 2 stats, $won and BB/HR that i am looking at. is $won my hourly? (it makes sense that it would be but im confused), by $won is double my BB/HR -- |
Re: STTF SNG->cash thread
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PT question about cash, when looking at session notes, there are 2 stats, $won and BB/HR that i am looking at. is $won my hourly? (it makes sense that it would be but im confused), by $won is double my BB/HR -- [/ QUOTE ] ptBB = 2 BBs It means big bet and is a legacy from limit. |
Re: STTF SNG->cash thread
Ok, help appreciated. This hand was actually pretty easy to play, because i had to leave and i was under big pressure.
Ok, but lets assume i have enough time to play the hand, how would you play it. Pls take into account that my image was very laggy (much raising etc.), but in every (=~80%) big pot i had shown down the goods, although one of my big bluffs got caught [[censored] these calling stations [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img], but its all metagame *lol*] Ok i raise and the other big-stack plays back. He has played fairly tagish and hasn`t done anything out of order in comparison to me. But he is a good player and is definitely not only rr only QQ+. Ok, whats my move over 300BB deep?. I was kind of new to that, because its not quite normal that two big`s share one table and play a RR pot. My thought process was (besides that i had to leave:), that with a big reraise my hand is pretty transparent and allows him to play perfectly. So how big do you raise to cut down his implied odds? I thought at least 70. But 70 looks like AA IMO, so i dunno...I then decided to push, hoping he might look me up with KK, although KK is an easy fold here (even against me). Anything else sucked...I also thought that if i push, its good for metagame (= people think twice to play back). Ok, but i still don`t feel good, because i maybe lost much value. PokerStars Game #8125928949: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/26 - 02:21:01 (ET) Table 'Hecuba V' 9-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: tencelos ($58 in chips) Seat 2: sklaaaaar ($85.35 in chips) Seat 3: 63RHB ($134.70 in chips) Seat 4: konstajuha ($37.70 in chips) Seat 5: AjaxAchill ($351.05 in chips) Seat 7: devinr12 ($259.30 in chips) Seat 8: TheCrusher7 ($58.50 in chips) Seat 9: scruffy-bob ($95.50 in chips) devinr12: posts small blind $0.50 TheCrusher7: posts big blind $1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to AjaxAchill [As Ac] scruffy-bob: folds SandroP13 has returned tencelos: calls $1 sklaaaaar: folds 63RHB: calls $1 konstajuha: folds AjaxAchill: raises $4 to $5 konstajuha is sitting out devinr12: raises $13 to $18 TheCrusher7: folds tencelos: folds 63RHB: folds AjaxAchill: raises $333.05 to $351.05 and is all-in devinr12: folds AjaxAchill collected $39 from pot AjaxAchill: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $39 | Rake $0 Seat 1: tencelos folded before Flop Seat 2: sklaaaaar folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: 63RHB folded before Flop Seat 4: konstajuha folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: AjaxAchill (button) collected ($39) Seat 7: devinr12 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: TheCrusher7 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: scruffy-bob folded before Flop (didn't bet) |
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