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Why can't I view cardrunners page? I can look at everything, but I can't see my dashboard or videos. I am a new member (never had an account before). It says The page cannot be found. The funny thing is that it doesn't work only on my laptop. On the other computer it works, but on laptop it doesn't and this is the only site on the whole internet that doesn't work on my laptop.

That means it is not an issue of cardrunners, but simply my computer's issue. I will probably find some computer guy, but just want to know if anyone has the same experience? It is probaby something very easy to repare.

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I trust in you to bust the fish for me tonight. Its party time here for me.

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anyone know whats happened to Papa_Chippi?

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anyone know whats happened to Papa_Chippi?

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Just wondering that yesterday.

He has an account here, I'm sure he google's himself daily and will eventually reply.

Seems a lot of the hyper aggro players have disappeared (Lapdance Jockey is another) can't say I'm surprised.

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I remember Papa_Chippi during our gin rummy days .
He was pretty good but I always thought I was better [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

It would be nice to hear from him again .

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Line check please, though I figure the fact that he shows up with Q2(!!!) makes it ok.

I figure AT, QJ, KJ, KQ all raise the flop here (we've been trading preflop raises so far). It is very frustrating when crap like this happens.

Poker Stars, $11 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 2 Players

SB: 1,420
Hero (BB): 1,580

Pre-Flop: (45) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
SB calls 15
Hero checks

Flop: (60) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets 45
SB calls 45

Turn: (150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [ 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ] (2 Players)
Hero bets 100
SB calls 100

River: (350) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [ Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ] (2 Players)
Hero bets 250
SB raises to 1,245 and is All-In
Hero calls 995

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Agreed. I'd have a hard time putting villain on a hand that beats me here given your reads.

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since that hand, I've lost the following:

39>A6
AT>AQ

It's shaping up to be a good session.

EDIT:

Add JTo > AKs

REEDIT:

I haven't won an AllIn battle for more than 80 chips in 6 games.

I've been the favorite all but twice.

WTF

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Quick question:

15/30 blinds. My opponent is aggressive, I wouldn't call him a maniac, but he likes to overbet pots, c/r with bottom pair, raise often (and big) PF, etc.

I open raise to 75 with AQo. He pushes. This is the first time he's pushed all-in PF, but it's fairly early in the tournament.

I called. Is this the right decision? I was trying to figure it out with pokerstove, but I really have no idea what his range would be here. Also AQo is probably the weakest hand I would call with in this situation.

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Yea I've had a few too many of those sessions in the last few days/weeks.

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i'm really good at poker.

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The non-blogging, former 35k month hu cash king shows his face!

How random.

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Hows teaching going wha?

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i'm really good at poker.

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I posted a while back about getting rakeback on FT. I decided to try to put together an email that wouldn't just be immediately ignored or stock-replied to about the possibility of adding rakeback to existing accounts. In case anybody is curious, here's the response I got back from FT (which shouldn't really come as any surprise, except for maybe the possibility that they're looking at something for the future), and a copy of the email I sent:

Full Tilt Response:
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Thank you for your email. I apologize but we can not add Rakeback to an existing player account. However we are looking into organizing something that will help people with accounts that are not tagged to an affiliate. We have added your username to our file for further consideration. Please be patient.

Best regards,

Lisa

The Affiliate Team at Full Tilt Poker

Full Tilt Poker
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My email:

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Is there any possibility of getting rakeback on an existing account? I realize there's a stock answer to this question, but before auto-replying that answer, please hear me out.

Here's my quandary:

I'm playing mostly heads-up sit & gos. I didn't know about rakeback when I started my account, but I've paid a *boatload* in fees and rake (more than I've won, and I'm actually a winning player overall), so 27% of that is a very significant amount.

Most of the people I've talked to about rakeback just say "start a new account with rakeback, duh", like there aren't any ethical questions at all.

I realize rakeback bonuses are set up as a way to attract new players to the site, and that there's practically no incentive to offer RB to existing players, and some good financial reasons *not* to, and even if I were willing to tiptoe around the ethics of the situation, there are a couple problems.

First of all, it would need to be a new name and probably a new address, in order to avoid getting "caught", which is a lot of trouble, but probably worthwhile (again, 27% of the rake I've paid over the last year is a very significant amount). Second, again in the interest of avoiding getting caught, I would have to cash out and redeposit, and getting another $600 match bonus just feels *way* too much like outright theft to me.

I might be willing to tiptoe around the rules a little when there's a perceived unfairness going on (somebody who happened to know about rakeback when they originally joined can get 27% back, but somebody who didn't has no way to get the same deal?), but the extra deposit bonus for some reason just makes it impossible for me to consider. Which is just a little bit silly, I guess, since if we're viewing lost income to Full Tilt as theft, then the impact of 27% of my rake is going to be *much* larger than $600 long-term. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

However, there's another piece to this puzzle. I'm reaching levels in HUSNGs where it's getting more and more difficult to find opponents. If I were willing to switch to turbos, that wouldn't be as much of a problem, but the FT turbo structure is just too fast for my playstyle, and I don't actually enjoy the faster structure, whether I could learn to be a winning player or not. So while I could certainly adjust and learn to play turbos (and did try that for a while), it seems just a bit silly to learn to play at a pace that I don't actually enjoy.

But the PokerStars turbo HUSNG structure is very close to the Full Tilt non-turbo structure for the first 15 minutes of the game, and a quick analysis of my history shows that my average game lasts somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 minutes. After 15 minutes, the stars structure really ramps up, but for about half of my games, it would feel pretty much the same. I'm pretty sure I could more successfully adjust to that structure than the FT turbo structure, which is much faster. In addition, Stars has a larger overall playerbase, which means there would be that much less trouble finding opponents to begin with.

I don't really want to switch to stars though. I like the Full Tilt interface much better, and I have written a little add-on that gives me a few extra buttons that makes it much easier to play multiple tables, adding a preflop button that I can cycle between 2.5x, 3x, and 4x, a 1/2 pot button, and a 2/3 pot button. It would take a lot of work to even figure out how to make that work on stars, since they're not using standard windows controls for anything.

I've also written a custom set of Perl scripts that I use to analyze my hand histories, and am in the middle of writing a full-blown analysis app, since there are so many things that Pokertracker handles in very infuriating, counter-intuitive ways, so there's a fair amount of programming work I would have to do just to be able to move and have access to all the tools that I have now on Full Tilt.

Please don't view this as a "givez me rakeback NOW, or I'm leaving" threat. I've been thinking about this for quite a while, and haven't moved any money over yet. But there are some very good reasons to consider moving money over to Stars for HUSNGs (which is by far what I play the most of), and a few not-quite-so-good reasons to stay on Full Tilt.

But if I did happen to have 27% rakeback, this very close decision would suddenly become a no-brainer.

[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Now, if you need to fire off the stock "no, we can't do that, sorry" response, feel free, but I've done my best to be thoughtful enough that hopefully this message will make it up at least a few rungs of the ladder before being discarded.

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That super - generous "bonus" comes out of your rakeback.

Sorry.

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So, I just played a 135 game marathon, unreal, btw, since I hit exactly two flops the whole time. Here is one. This hand was totally playable at this point:

Full Tilt Poker, $5 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 15/30 Blinds, 2 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: 2,000
Hero (SB): 1,000

Pre-Flop: (45) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
Hero raises to 90, BB calls 60

Flop: (180) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 150, BB calls 150

Turn: (480) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (480) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB bets 200, Hero calls 200

Results: 880 Pot
BB showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Twos) and LOST (-440 NET)
Hero showed 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Fives and Twos) and WON 880 (+440 NET)

So retarded. I should have bloated the pot more.

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fwiw i've decided my pooh-bah post is gunna be why you shouldn't play Heads Up with 3 buy ins.

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Dave: Did you 5 table those 5 dollar games on FTP or something?

135 games is sick.

Nixon: Never feel bad about getting anything extra from a casino, online or otherwise. It's too overwhelming to think about a person having sympathy for a 8-9 figure company that has poor customer service/communication.

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Why isn't this all my opponents? I like it when they're easy to read and hate money.

Poker Stars, $11 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds
Hero (BB): 2,095
SB: 905

Pre-Flop: (75) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
SB raises to 200
Hero raises to 2,095 and is All-In
SB calls 705 and is All-In

Flop: (1,810) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (1,810) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [ 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (1,810) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [ 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 1,810 Pot
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON 1,810 (+905 NET)
SB showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Eights) and LOST (-905 NET)

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Dave,

If you have a decent winrate 5-tabling any level I am beyond impressed. I would start crying the first time I face a tough decision.

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Full Tilt Poker Game #4049183944: $100 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go (30773284), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:43:52 ET - 2007/11/02
Seat 1: xSCWx (955)
Seat 2: Tooleat me8 (2,045), is sitting out
Tooleat me8 posts the small blind of 15
xSCWx posts the big blind of 30
Tooleat me8 has returned
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xSCWx [7s Jd]
Tooleat me8 calls 15
xSCWx checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc 4h Js]
xSCWx checks
Tooleat me8 bets 810
xSCWx has 15 seconds left to act
xSCWx raises to 925, and is all in
Tooleat me8 folds
Uncalled bet of 115 returned to xSCWx
xSCWx mucks
xSCWx wins the pot (1,680)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,680 | Rake 0
Board: [Qc 4h Js]
Seat 1: xSCWx (big blind) collected (1,680), mucked
Seat 2: Tooleat me8 (small blind) folded on the Flop

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Dave: Did you 5 table those 5 dollar games on FTP or something?

135 games is sick.

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NONONNONONONONONO!!!!!

That was a mistype. I just played a 135 HAND marathon. Uck. sry guys. Shows why I was typing, fried my brain cells for a minute.

I can't even two table. 135 games? Give me a little credit here, I would be at the 30s by now. Should be at the 20s tomorrow though, unless I hit a super downer, which.....

I just jinxed myself, I think.

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Why isn't this all my opponents? I like it when they're easy to read and hate money.

Poker Stars, $11 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds
Hero (BB): 2,095
SB: 905

Pre-Flop: (75) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
SB raises to 200
Hero raises to 2,095 and is All-In
SB calls 705 and is All-In

Flop: (1,810) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (1,810) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [ 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (1,810) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [ 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 1,810 Pot
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON 1,810 (+905 NET)
SB showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Eights) and LOST (-905 NET)

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And maybe they are:

Poker Stars, $11 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 2 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): 1,330
SB: 1,670

Pre-Flop: (30) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
SB calls 10
Hero raises to 80
SB calls 60

Flop: (160) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets 120
SB calls 120

Turn: (400) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [ A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ] (2 Players)
Hero bets 280
SB calls 280

River: (960) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [ K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ] (2 Players)
Hero bets 350
SB raises to 1,190 and is All-In
Hero calls 500 and is All-In

Results: 2,660 Pot
Hero showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Kings) and LOST (-1,330 NET)
SB showed 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON 2,660 (+1,330 NET)

I hate my river play, but wtf.

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I just got called on a rainbow flop of KQ3 by 64o.

I've given up on hand reading for the rest of my life.

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I just got called on a rainbow flop of KQ3 by 64o.

I've given up on hand reading for the rest of my life.

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SICK FLOATZ FTW

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I just got called on a rainbow flop of KQ3 by 64o.

I've given up on hand reading for the rest of my life.

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[x] put hero on AK

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Clearly, there is a straight draw on that board, plus bluff catching potential.

Oh, I get it hero had 53o? nice hand.

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No I had A4. He hit a 6 on the turn. It's not like a big pot, it was a limped pot, just pretty retarded.

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Never feel bad about getting anything extra from a casino, online or otherwise.

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Call me a hypocritical nit if you must, but breaking the rules to get my hands on money that would go to Full Tilt otherwise just feels a little too much like outright theft to me.

The fact that it's completely unfair IMO that existing accounts can't get rakeback, and that FT can certainly afford to lose that 27% and wouldn't ever really miss it, doesn't really change the ethics of the situation in my mind.

It does sadden me just a little bit to say that if there weren't so many hoops to jump through to avoid getting "caught", I'd probably do it anyway, though. So my high horse isn't really *that* high. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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anyone know whats happened to Papa_Chippi?

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Just wondering that yesterday.

He has an account here, I'm sure he google's himself daily and will eventually reply.

Seems a lot of the hyper aggro players have disappeared (Lapdance Jockey is another) can't say I'm surprised.

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he actually has a new screen name on FTP but still dont see him playing on that either.

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sigh... who does FTP let call themselves pros these days, silly JJ Liu 2 outs me w/22 FTW in a 110 :-p... newbs

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JJ Liu playing 110s? Daaaamn normally shes down in the 33s. Almost sat with you while playing on a students account on accident Primo, would have told you obv.

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I don't believe in SAGE. The problem it doesn't take into account is that you only need it when you are running cold. So obviously, when you press all in with KJs, your opponent will infallibly have A2o. Eat that Ferguson.

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SAGE is what it is, its not the ideal play and it never claimed to be.

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Meh, only use it when I have like nothing. I have, at best, a half-assed understanding of it, so I'm probably using it wrong. It probably doesn't matter how good or bad you are at it when your down to your last 3 or 4 antes.

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I don't believe in SAGE. The problem it doesn't take into account is that you only need it when you are running cold. So obviously, when you press all in with KJs, your opponent will infallibly have A2o. Eat that Ferguson.

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Shoving KJ and running into A2 is not a good example. You should absolutely be shoving KJ when sage is applicable with stack sizes. Most people fold too many hands with 10 bb or less stack sizes and sage exploits this common weakness.

You can obviously adapt your shoving ranges slightly to those who call or fold too often. Having KJ run into A2 with a 10 bb or less stack is not the end of the world.

I will say that using the sage system for calling ranges against people who aren't using sage or aren't even playing push/fold is probably a mistake. It's good when people are shoving often, but if villain is only shoving 10% of the time with a 7 bb stack then using the sage calling range is obviously a mistake (using sage you would call with 30 points / hands like: J6s).

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It was a random thought -- really. Just wanted to share it with someone.

But you are right, "Having KJ run into A2 with a 10bb or less stack is not the end of the world." It is the end of the game, unless I am the one holding the A2, then you will double through because you are sage enough to use SAGE properly.

I have experimented with it a little, but not comfortable with it yet.

Isn't supposed to be used with people that are better than you? I am trying it out when the effective stacks are so small that there is no playability right now. But with 5-10 bb, I toss it.

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I would use both the pushing and calling ranges that sage recommends against a player that is equal to me or better than me. I don't think the pushing range is very exploitable by any opponent, but I can understand adjusting slightly if they are calling really wide or folding way too much.

I would also argue that a 5-10 bb stack size really doesn't leave you with much "playability." 9-10 bb maybe against the most passive opponents, but definitely not with 8 bb or less.

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JJ Liu playing 110s? Daaaamn normally shes down in the 33s. Almost sat with you while playing on a students account on accident Primo, would have told you obv.

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LOL AIM?

I missed it on this one, Indy > Cwar in this department.

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yea cwar lol, and I just barely dodged a same time sit w/you while we were both 2 tabling 110s last night... well not night for you, but yea. And as for the JJ Liu thing, I had no clue who it was til the match was over and I saw the red name, and then it was 3x as annoying ;p