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Eh honestly guys theres not much here, mark seif is a [censored] awkward guy-- he has shifty, bulging eyes when he sits at the poker table, and he doesnt seem like a very social guy so these interviews are probably nerve racking for him.

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agreed. I dont think he came off bad or douchey in the interview. What the [censored] does everyone expect him to say or do? Oh wait, no one really cares, they just want to pile it on and string him up. Carry on with the group think guys

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Have to agree also, what video are the rest of you watching. Nothing in that video made me think he was guilty. He may be but the video doesn't condemn him.

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Have you guys ever played live poker??? You honestly don't see any tells?? FFS.

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I've met AJ Green. Uh I met him when I was in Costa Rica. Uh, I met him twice. AJ seemed like a uh, like a uh guy, you would expect to find in a sportsbook. He seemed to have a very free sprirt, seemed like a nice guy was very nice to me. Uh, he, uh, I found nothing extraordinary about him. He liked to y'know party, he had a bit of, he had long hair, he had a bit of a free spirit, but um, nothing real egregious. He uh, certainly didn't talk about uh, any hole cards. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

the main question on everyones mind has still not been answered.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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Eh honestly guys theres not much here, mark seif is a [censored] awkward guy-- he has shifty, bulging eyes when he sits at the poker table, and he doesnt seem like a very social guy so these interviews are probably nerve racking for him.

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agreed. I dont think he came off bad or douchey in the interview. What the [censored] does everyone expect him to say or do? Oh wait, no one really cares, they just want to pile it on and string him up. Carry on with the group think guys

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Have to agree also, what video are the rest of you watching. Nothing in that video made me think he was guilty. He may be but the video doesn't condemn him.

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Have you guys ever played live poker??? You honestly don't see any tells?? FFS.

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I've met AJ Green. Uh I met him when I was in Costa Rica. Uh, I met him twice. AJ seemed like a uh, like a uh guy, you would expect to find in a sportsbook. He seemed to have a very free sprirt, seemed like a nice guy was very nice to me. Uh, he, uh, I found nothing extraordinary about him. He liked to y'know party, he had a bit of, he had long hair, he had a bit of a free spirit, but um, nothing real egregious. He uh, certainly didn't talk about uh, any hole cards. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Play live all the time - up about $80,000 for the last year and half. What's your point. If you say 'uh' too many times your hiding something? Get real.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

if all you noticed that was weird about that speech was the fact that he said "uh" a lot, then you prove my point.

Then DISPROVED me with your 80k figure, so n/m.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

Here is a good post on the video from neverwinpoker.com:
http://www.neverwinpoker.com/forums/inde...mp;#entry703190

Interesting [and at times pathetic] spin job Mark.

some gems...

"I met AJ twice.. guy you'd expect to find in a sportsbook.. liked to party...long hair ... free spirit". Interesting description for the man charged with security responsibilities at the business.

"he didn't mention anything about hole cards [seif chuckles]". Mark, those who were ripped off don't think its funny. What a completely ridiculous thing to say, and the reaction, wtf is up with laughing about that?

"this could occur on Pokerstars and Full Tilt". The AP spin job starts here... deflect criticism by pulling in everyone else and making accusations. Could it occur - sure, has it - no. Would those companies handle it completely differently than AP did? Absolutely. This is all spin job guys.

"just got done talking to management about what to do in certain situations... we agree to overpay". So Seif is much more than a spokesperson for the company. He is actually involved in the business decision making process. That's new. So he denies he has anything to do with this, yet, he's obviously part of the corporate decision making process. Shady calling him spokesperson. He needs a different title so we know what his role and responsibilities are... such as "VP for player relations", or some such. Seif needs to be held accountable now for all decisions relative to the damage control of this scandal.

"This sends a clear message there is a tremendous amount of oversight....". LOL this is truly laughable. It was through a complete serendipity that a hand history log was sent out that proved all this, and it was completely and totally due to player complaints and investigation that this scandal came to light. What a complete crock of [censored] this whole line of reasoning is. The important point is that AP security is non-existant. There was no oversight at all, and we are all lucky an insider snitched them out. Spin... Spin... Spin.... I'm waiting for Seif to break out the ben-wah balls, roll them in his right hand and start telling us he's actively investigating what happened to the strawberries.

He references Nat Arem, saying "he states I'm not involved in this". I'm sure your mother says the same thing Mark... I think this is also called "vouching", you know, the very thing you are accusing Todd of?

Now comes the solid gold


"he's [Dan Druff] made some remarkable statements... some untrue statements... some highly exaggerated statements" "he's doing something we call in law "vouching" for the argument I was involved". I guess like Nat is vouching you weren't but that's ok. "He [Dan Druff] is engaged in some civil liability" lol. "something I'll think about later". yeah, sure. I'm taking bets on that to cover my losses on AP Mark.

"If it turns out there was some serious wrongdoing w/ AP management, consultants or executives, whatever..." Huh? WORST SPIN JOB OF THE CENTURY! Mark - what "if"?? AP HAS ADMITTED CHEATING CUSTOMERS. ADMITS THEY WERE COMPROMISED. ADMITS THEY [censored] UP THE INITIAL INVESTIGATION. ADMITS INSIDERS WERE INVOLVED. WHAT THE [censored] IS WRONG WITH YOU SOFT PEDDLING IT WITH "IF".

Conclusion: Seif is nothing more than a paid shill for AP. He is on two-pronged spin mission. First, to cover himself, second, to cover AP. Hope what they are paying you is worth your soul.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

The guy is the "face" and spokesperson for AP. People sign up partly because of the likablility of his "personality", that is why he is in that role. So I just find it amusing that he would weassel his way around the issue just like AP did and may currently be doing. It both WHAT he says and HOW he says it that should be scrutinized. If he does not like the role he should quit and distance himself from AP. Instead he is almost sticking up for AJ Green while ADMITTING he was in Costa Rica with him. The issue is bigger than just his "guilt" in one instance of accused cheating 1 1/2 years ago but HOW he continues to add to the confusion. Did he not READ the AP press releases where they admitted the cheating. To act like it is still an issue as to whether AP cheated its customers is disinformation on his part and part of the overall problem. People must be able to TRUST the poker site they use. Yes people can collude and hack and cheat on any site but that is why when you sign up to be a SPOKESPERSON for the site you have a vested interest in your reputation to be sure that things like that do not happen. Can you really picture Daniel Negreanu saying the same things Mark said. I think not. So yes, the FACE of the site does deserve some heat when things go wrong.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

The more I hear about this scandal the more I`m convinced that every mo fookin` POS that worked for AP was on the take.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

mark seif is the new dutch boyd

edit: not to say that he stole any money (i dont think dutch did either) but just that he will be hated by a whole generation of poker players

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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over/under until he drinks is own urine?

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

So true. Lucky for Boyd.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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Wow he looks so guilty

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Guys, without footage of Seif when he's telling the truth, this really doesn't tell us much. He may naturally act a little shifty. Even if he's innocent, he's facing serious accusations and will be besmirched by all this. That could easily be why he's ill at ease.

He might have been in on it, but this vid doesn't tell us anything.

Ya'll don't realize how much preconceptions can load your perception of things, make a person read great meaning into frivolous mannerisms.

Flame on.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

What I find intriguing is not if Seif looks innocent or not, but this statement:

this could occur on Pokerstars and Full Tilt

I thought it was a little against the rules to mention 'COMPETITORS', or is there an exception here?

Also note, the mention of these two sites yet he leaves out ULTIMATE BET. Or was that put in too for non-bias, but later edited out due to irony of the new owners?

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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This kind of thing could happen at Poker Stars or Full Tilt

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WTF? Why even try to drag the good names of legit poker rooms into this?

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because those sites implicitly allow for such conduct by using things like the KGC instead of having real forensic audits and investigations

their names are mud because they clearly support the crappy overseeing of the industry

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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Conclusion: Seif is nothing more than a paid shill for AP. He is on two-pronged spin mission. First, to cover himself, second, to cover AP. Hope what they are paying you is worth your soul.

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Indeed. He proved he has no problem with lying when he denied seeing clear evidence of cheating in the POTRIPPER tournament.

We know he lied because everyone with half a brain knows the tournament was rigged after watching a few hands from the PokerXFactor replay.

A tournament player with Seif's experience would KNOW it was rigged as well.

He sucks at being the spokesperson for Absolute.

Every time he opens his mouth he convinces me the CRIMINAL activities at AP are more widespread than anything discussed so far.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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This kind of thing could happen at Poker Stars or Full Tilt

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WTF? Why even try to drag the good names of legit poker rooms into this?

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because those sites implicitly allow for such conduct by using things like the KGC instead of having real forensic audits and investigations

their names are mud because they clearly support the crappy overseeing of the industry

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Based on some of the posts I've read, I think there is a substantial amount of confusion regarding my statement about Stars and Full Tilt. This is either due to me failing to be clear and/or poor editing. I don't remember.

I stated that this type of thing could happen at Stars or Tilt, because it can. Let me be clear. I think, actually, I KNOW, that Stars and Tilt are run by very ethical, highly reputable people. I have tremendous respect for the management at both sites. I play on both sites.

Having said that, its virtually impossible to ensure, in a company that has hundreds if not thousands of previous and existing employees, consultants, programmers etc. and dozens and dozens of high level managers both past and present, that there will NEVER ever be a security breach. It's just impossible to ensure against it. The liklihood is very low and there are countless measures to prevent such a breach. But it's naive to say that it could never happen.

So, if there is a breach, does that make the whole company bad? Perhaps. I'm not sure of the answer at this point.

Could the Company rehabilitate itself though? What if it tossed out the offenders, made reparations, and tried to shore up security to the best of its abilities? I'm not stuggesting anything here. I'm just asking myself these questions at the moment and wanted to clear up this misunderstanding.

I chose this topic as my fist post on 2+2. There were many choices. This is just one I wanted to clear up.

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WTF? Why even try to drag the good names of legit poker rooms into this?

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because those sites implicitly allow for such conduct by using things like the KGC instead of having real forensic audits and investigations

their names are mud because they clearly support the crappy overseeing of the industry

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Based on some of the posts I've read, I think there is a substantial amount of confusion regarding my statement about Stars and Full Tilt. This is either due to me failing to be clear and/or poor editing. I don't remember.

I stated that this type of thing could happen at Stars or Tilt, because it can. Let me be clear. I think, actually, I KNOW, that Stars and Tilt are run by very ethical, highly reputable people. I have tremendous respect for the management at both sites. I play on both sites.

Having said that, its virtually impossible to ensure, in a company that has hundreds if not thousands of previous and existing employees, consultants, programmers etc. and dozens and dozens of high level managers both past and present, that there will NEVER ever be a security breach. It's just impossible to ensure against it. The liklihood is very low and there are countless measures to prevent such a breach. But it's naive to say that it could never happen.

So, if there is a breach, does that make the whole company bad? Perhaps. I'm not sure of the answer at this point.

Could the Company rehabilitate itself though? What if it tossed out the offenders, made reparations, and tried to shore up security to the best of its abilities? I'm not stuggesting anything here. I'm just asking myself these questions at the moment and wanted to clear up this misunderstanding.

I chose this topic as my fist post on 2+2. There were many choices. This is just one I wanted to clear up.

-- Mark Seif

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omg so you CAN see my hole cards?

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

wow nice first post, NOT

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

As described to me, the development process at Stars seems pretty infallible. Granted if a lot of people were in on it, it could happen. But a lone ranger-type of attack would not work there.

I don't know the process at FTP.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

lol @ 2:00 "he didn't talk about any hole cards" then he chuckles...obv guilty

also, notice at the end his voice quiets when he tries to say he has nothing to do w/ this scandal etc...

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

Seif,

You are scum. Thats all

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Mods, is this him? If so, let the games begin! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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What a joke, I hope every 2+2er treats this guy like the douchebag he is forever, anywhere he goes.

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Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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What a joke, I hope every 2+2er treats this guy like the douchebag he is forever, anywhere he goes.

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Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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Could the Company rehabilitate itself though? What if it tossed out the offenders, made reparations, and tried to shore up security to the best of its abilities?

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How can anyone trust them Mark? After they denied there was any wrongdoing repeatedly in the face of damning evidence that was clear to see? The cover up can never be excused, forgotten, or dismissed. You seemingly were one of the offenders in that yourself, from your comments in chat at the tournament the night before AP finally gave in and admitted it. Something we all knew but neither you nor them would admit it.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

Seif,

If that's really you, you can turn a bad thing into something positive. Start talking. Tell us about the big con.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

mark next time ask yourself, "what would barry greenstein do?"

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

Seif,

Has your wife let you yet?

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How can anyone trust them Mark? After they denied there was any wrongdoing repeatedly in the face of damning evidence that was clear to see?

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Please remember that Mark denied it too. He is no different than the liars and deniers at AP. No response to this question from Mark should be considered truthful.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

More fun with Absolute Poker

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Mark lost all credibility when he watched the video and somehow missed the cheating. How can someone that has won 2 WSOP bracelets watch that video and come to any other conclusion?

LOL@ The NY Times article.

Tell us more fairy tales about fixing your security and how you only cheated people for a few months.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

sweet...Mark Seif replied to me
to me

woo hoo

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Seif, don't waste our time with this crap.

When you actually have something to say, SAY IT.

Any of these would do:

1) Guys, I'm shocked and appalled that the company I represent engaged in CRIMINAL activity.

2) I know you have been cheated and money has been stolen from you.

3) I will do everything I can to bring those responsible for perpetrating this CRIME to justice.

4) It's clear to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that the POTRIPPER tournament was rigged.

5) I am ashamed that my public endorsement of Absolute Poker may have contributed to your decision to deposit money and play in fraudulent games.


Until you have something along these lines to say, do us all a favor and keep your lying, self serving, 2-faced comments to yourself.

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Dear Mark,































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Love,

Gons

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

Mark, I will assume that this is really you. If it's not, I assume this account will be disabled soon by the mods anyway.

Can you explain to me exactly how I "lied", "exaggerated", or did anything wrong/unethical as far as you're concerned?

You have now twice called my character into question, which I don't appreciate.

Let's break this down here....

I was a VICTIM in this whole thing. The highest level people at Absolute Poker, the site you have been promoting for over 3 years, cheated me out of over $15,000. Had it not been for the excellent work of Nat Arem, Adanthar, and others on 2+2, I would never have seen that $15,000 again, since your company covered it up and lied about the fraud for over a month.

So exactly why are YOU the one attacking ME?

Please explain what I've done wrong here, and why you felt it necessary to drag my name through the mud.

I anxiously await to hear the answer to this one.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

If I was Mark Seif and I did actually cheat, you wouldn't see me doing some cheap, heavily edited interview like this one.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

That is actually Mark, or else someone who knows his real email.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

Mark can you please clarify your level of involvement with AP -- both currently, and chronologically.

There seems to be some confusion, and based on some of your statements in that video-interview it seems as though you are involved within AP in some way larger than just being the face of the site. I know you've said recently that you used to be involved within the company in a much larger role than you currently are.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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This kind of thing could happen at Poker Stars or Full Tilt

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WTF? Why even try to drag the good names of legit poker rooms into this?

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because those sites implicitly allow for such conduct by using things like the KGC instead of having real forensic audits and investigations

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Having said that, its virtually impossible to ensure, in a company that has hundreds if not thousands of previous and existing employees, consultants, programmers etc. and dozens and dozens of high level managers both past and present, that there will NEVER ever be a security breach. It's just impossible to ensure against it.

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This is such ridiculous spin.

While I agree there are complex security breaches that are certainly difficult to prevent (but not impossible), the breach that happened was not NEARLY in this category. In terms of potential attacks, having a version of your software that can watch the cards in real time seems like a pretty large one. It is plainly obvious the "security team" was either terrible or malicious, and right now it seems like the latter is true.

An analogous situation would be if some dude just walked onto a plane with a bomb in plain sight and then blew it up after takeoff. Sure, this is a security breach, but is it easily preventable? In the same vein you can say that protecting an airplane is technically impossible, but that doesn't mean the people in charge of protecting it should throw up their hands and use that excuse in case something bad happens.

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And your point is?

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

Mark,

"I had nothing to do with this matter, if it turns out there were some serious wrong doings in AP's management or consultants or executives or whatever."

Do you still currently have some doubt that AP employees cheated their customers?


"I want to thank them for having faith in the site and continuing to play on the site... It exemplifies the American way... that you don't assume that things are necessarily terrible unless there is strong evidence to the contrary"

a) has there been enough strong evidence yet?
b) if yes to that, is a site stealing from its customers terrible? If not, what would it take for a site to do terrible, unforgivable things? Your statement makes it sound as if you believe AP has not done anything terrible and should be forgiven by us all.