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Hellmuth is the greatest. Sure, he is the most annoying guy in the world, but you cannot deny his mere presence at a game always jacks up the comedy factor (mainly -- everyone takes veiled cheapshots at him under the guise of good-natured ribbing, and Hellmuth gets his feelings hurt and acts out even more). I love watching games with that guy.

Also - Howard Ledered is equally a douche. Listening to him say he wasn't feeling Jay-Z's last album made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. He's a good commentator for sure, smart player, but save the rapper name-dropping for the next time you're throwing down at a Young Jeezy concert.

Ivey and Hansen are the best. On the degenerate gamblers board of directors, Ivey is the chairman and Hansen is the shady treasuerer who's being investigated by the FBI for embezzling.

If I was producing this show, I'd replace Harman with Matasow and then get rid of Ferguson and replace him with the Australian loud-mouth guy. Then i would pay Lederer 5k under the table to rile up Hellmuth and give hellmuth 5k to make Annie Duke jokes (nobody sucks out like your sister, etc...), and then have Antonio ride in on the Ultimate Bet-sponsored camel.

Ratings bonanza.

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great post. LOL at someone making annie duke jokes in front of howard. "your sister SUCKS out..."

i just watched tonight's episode due to NBC's screw up. hellmuth gives a good rant. not nearly as good as the HSP season II rant but fairly decent

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is there any links to the episodes? i want to watch:)

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pisses me off how good ivey runs.

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Hellmuth is PURE entertanment,I am sitting here laughing out loud.I dont know if it is an act or what but it sure as hell is funny!!! He is HILARIOUS!!

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How can Ivey call with middle pair, no kicker against a nit who raised preflop, bet the flop and then 3-bet all-in over his raise?

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ivey is my messiah

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because ivey is god, ldo

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What's the word I'm looking for to describe this? Ah, yes: EPIC. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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yes it was bad play on howard's part. phil is right, howard does play blind-induced poker, the problem is so does hellmuth. he waits around for his double up like he said, which will only happen when the blinds go high and he's covered, hoping to be 2-1+ fav.

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Lederer's re-steal would be poor against most players (Phil had put in 1/3 of his stack), but Hellmuth has certainly folded in these situations before. But Hellmuth's schtick really makes me wonder if he actually understands the re-steal. And this is by no means a "new internet concept", Doyle spelled it out in SS1 - you steal, steal, steal, and then when you get called you're a 2-1 dog but you're freerolling with all the chips you've stolen.

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QFT. Hellmuth's not folding here, but we've seen him do it on this show so many other times. Was it even $1000 more for Howard to call the shove?

Hellmuth doesn't want to play big pots, and in this format, there's no reason to play a big pot early in the game. But what he doesn't get is that you can't just give away chips if you want to outplay people post-flop. And you certainly can't tell everyone at the table you're doing it.

Also, that last hand may have been the most entertaining Ivey's ever been on TV, and he's always had more personality than a lot of people think.

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That last hand was nuts. The blinds must have gone up twice while Ivey was making up his mind. That was a hell of a read he must've had on Howard.

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I don't think Ivey had any great read. He just felt obligated to call due to amount invested and pot odds. It was a crying call hoping Howard either had the flush draw or he had thoughts of challenging Jamie Gold's legacy as best bluffer ever.

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Ivey is about as cool as a gambler could ever be.

Doesn't give a [censored], wins effortlessly, doesn't cry when he loses. He really is "The Man."

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That was a hell of a read he must've had on Howard.

[/ QUOTE ] did you watch the show? Ivey saying this is the worst call ever? not wanting to show the hand down? He obviously thought there was a very good chance he didnt have the best hand.

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I don't think Ivey had any great read. He just felt obligated to call due to amount invested and pot odds. It was a crying call hoping Howard either had the flush draw or he had thoughts of challenging Jamie Gold's legacy as best bluffer ever.

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Just watched the west coast feed. I think you're right. It was a crying call. Lederer's poker face was so bad that hand, and he was trying to talk Ivey into folding. Lederer knew Ivey was close to calling, but was giggling and trying to talk so non-chalantly, considering the money in the pot, I didn't think it should of been that hard a call.

Still a great call by the best. It amazes how much Phil Ivey intimidates his fellow world class players. It just seemed to me Lederer was intimidated that whole hand versus Ivey.

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Ivey is about as cool as a gambler could ever be.

Doesn't give a [censored], wins effortlessly, doesn't cry when he loses. He really is "The Man."

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QFT

IMO he is like one of the few gamblers I look up too. Him and Patrick prolly the only 2 in the world.

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Anyone else bothered by Ferguson's spiel

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Hellmuth's awesome. Ferguson is so bothersome; I would get furious with him at table.

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How can Ivey call with middle pair, no kicker against a nit who raised preflop, bet the flop and then 3-bet all-in over his raise?

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You talking about the last hand? I don't think HL is considered a NIT heads up. It isn't like he did that ten-handed!

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Hellmuth's awesome. Ferguson is so bothersome; I would get furious with him at table.

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Really? Hellmuth is awesome and Ferguson makes me furious. Is this a level?

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is there any links to the episodes? i want to watch:)

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http://www.nbcsports.com/poker/

Just click on the picture. Yesterday they had Friday's episodes listed as Thursday (so we got to watch the last episode before it aired. Nothing looks different today on the site (no Friday listing), so one of the episodes is missing.

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That last hand was nuts. The blinds must have gone up twice while Ivey was making up his mind. That was a hell of a read he must've had on Howard.

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Now that's funny.

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That was a hell of a read he must've had on Howard.

[/ QUOTE ] did you watch the show? Ivey saying this is the worst call ever? not wanting to show the hand down? He obviously thought there was a very good chance he didnt have the best hand.

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That's what most people say when they make a hero call. They don't really believe it, it's just a way to cover yourself, in case you do call off most of your chips drawing nearly dead.

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I loved Lederer and Ivey in the background of Hellmuths rant just cracking up like its a $10 home game to them. Well, i guess it kinda is to Ivey.

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that king on the river was amazing. i laughed so hard at hellmuth's rant.

great week

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loved the king
made me so happy!!!

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while Helmuth's off rambling to Shana on the couch:
Lederer: With your young ears, you can hear the analysis better than me...
Ivey: I don't know what he's saying. I don't listen to anything he says.

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That's what most people say when they make a hero call. They don't really believe it, it's just a way to cover yourself, in case you do call off most of your chips drawing nearly dead.

[/ QUOTE ] ok your right he was sure he had the best hand but was just acting.

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like Ivey said, he didn't mind losing to Howard, and I don't think he'd give hellmuth this kind of action if he had won with that 88. of course hellmuth might just check behind dark, and wait for Phil to trip up.

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The most annoying man ever.

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So who won? Friday's final segment doesn't work on the NBC website.

Details on the final hand that everyone is talking about?

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ivey limps button with 8s4s, howard raises with Kd8d. Flop comes 4d6d9h or something, ivey checks, howard bets, ivey checkraises for half his stack, howard pushes allin, ivey thinks for over 5 minutes then calls.

The whole time I watched it i was saying "CALL CALL" I don't care if he was like a 53% favourite it was still a sick call

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ivey had 84s lederer had K8d and the flop was 347 2 diamonds....ivey bet out and lederer raised all in and ivey calls and of course holds becuase hes phil ivey.

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ivey limps button with 8s4s, howard raises with Kd8d. Flop comes 4d6d9h or something, ivey checks, howard bets, ivey checkraises for half his stack, howard pushes allin, ivey thinks for over 5 minutes then calls.

The whole time I watched it i was saying "CALL CALL" I don't care if he was like a 53% favourite it was still a sick call

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I think he CR for 1/3rd of his stack.

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yea ivey checked, howard bet 5500, Ivey raised to 15500 and took forever but called howards all in.

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at the end of helmuths huge rant he says in the background "we're gonna stop and start it again", do you think he was talking about staging acting like a douche? Sounds scripted

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Howard: "So the real question is who is going to beat my patriotes this year"

god its like hes physic.

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Hellmuth's exit interview was one of the funniest things on TV this year. Gus' reaction in the background was classic.

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at the end of helmuths huge rant he says in the background "we're gonna stop and start it again", do you think he was talking about staging acting like a douche? Sounds scripted

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No one is that good of an actor. Helmuth is simply the biggest tool who has ever lived. Period.

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come on guys give Hellmuth a break. We may never understand his genius, but it is evident he his held in the highest esteem by his peers...

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7927/hellmuthfp2.jpg

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omg the picture above

and the two most interesting parts IMO:

Phil is so sick for the call in the final hand.
I think Howard and Hellmuth might really hate each other

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Yeah, by Wednesday, it looked like Howard and Hellmuth weren't just taking playful jabs at each other, it seemed like a full-on war of words was in progress.