Re: KQo losing ground on the turn
 

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Herman:

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I think I'll find out right here if one of them does

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Yeah, so you just found out. So, all this becomes is an outs vs. pot odds question, and you should at least take a shot a working that out for yourself.

*Edit: "charge the flush draw"? By giving them the right odds to call. O rly?

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My shot at the odds--now--is that I'm getting about 11:1 and I need about 8:1 except I'm not closing the action and my heart outs are tainted. To my mind that makes this a marginal call.

As for a hostile draw, they already *have* the odds to call but if I don't bet they get infinite odds because the draw costs them nothing. (I think that's an SSHE quote, but maybe I have the wrong authors.)

Oh, and KQs in that position is a call in my not-so-dusty starting hands chart, and that's why I called. I don't have the experience and judgment to stray very far from the charts just yet. However, I want to increase my PFR% a bit and that's a logical hand to add to my repertoire.