Re: hand vs Jonathan Little Wpt FT Bubble
 

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Seems like its pretty much consensus that betting here sucks, and I agree.
Do we bet call AT no club? I think I do.
Do we bet/call JcTx? QcTx? KcTx? I think my line here is QcTx and I check it back with JcTx.
Thoughts?

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that feels about right. I'd be okay with getting in most other pair + big clubs (Kc9x would be ok etc.) as well but probably wouldn't try to do it on purpose.

Re: hand vs Jonathan Little Wpt FT Bubble
 

yea, my first instinct was to check back and I should have, as soon as i made the bet i knew it was bad. At this point already I could just feel the tourney slipping away from me and it was a terrible terrible feeling. Definitely was not playing my best poker on this day.

the feedback has been pretty insightful

I folded the hand and asked him later after i busted what he had. He said he had 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for top two

sigh

Re: hand vs Jonathan Little Wpt FT Bubble
 

If you are folding to a c/r then check behind, because he certainly doing this a large percentage of the time with the majority of hands he is defending. As played, fold, you're flipping at best.

Re: hand vs Jonathan Little Wpt FT Bubble
 

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yea, my first instinct was to check back and I should have, as soon as i made the bet i knew it was bad. At this point already I could just feel the tourney slipping away from me and it was a terrible terrible feeling. Definitely was not playing my best poker on this day.

the feedback has been pretty insightful

I folded the hand and asked him later after i busted what he had. He said he had 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for top two

sigh

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That's the thing. Timing tells against players of this calibre are pretty useless. I'm sure he could have been lying or whatever, but when he snap-shoves on this board you can't immediately think "he most likely has a high club or a big combo draw I call" because that's exactly what JLittle wants you to think.

Re: hand vs Jonathan Little Wpt FT Bubble
 

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If you are folding to a c/r then check behind, because he certainly doing this a large percentage of the time with the majority of hands he is defending. As played, fold, you're flipping at best.

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Would you care to give us a range of hands he's defending with and a range he's jamming with and show how he's jamming over 50% of his defending range here on this board? There's no way that's correct.

Re: hand vs Jonathan Little Wpt FT Bubble
 

Are you serious Todd? He's jamming like.... almost all of his range that continues

Re: hand vs Jonathan Little Wpt FT Bubble
 

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Are you serious Todd? He's jamming like.... almost all of his range that continues

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I agree with that, maybe I misunderstood the other post. I thought he was saying that he's jamming with most of his preflop calling range, which is what I'm disagreeing with. I think, of the hands he's continuing after the flop with, he raising or jamming with 100%.

Edit: I took "defending" to mean calling out of the blind, rather than continuing on with the hand, which I think is what he meant, but only he can tell us.

Re: hand vs Jonathan Little Wpt FT Bubble
 

fine, but then if we're folding to the raise, how can betting be good here? He doesn't have enough outs that giving a free card is nearly as big a worry as being pushed off the best hand, which will happen some huge percentage of the time. that's the point here.

you're right he might call with 44 and c/f the flop but guess what? we're gonna beat 44 on most turns and he might even bluff with KJh sometimes when a 2 peels off so we make even more...

edit: or just c/c with a 9 on the turn etc

Re: hand vs Jonathan Little Wpt FT Bubble
 

meh, I had the T9 and thought I might get a call from Tx if I instapushed but it didnt happen. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: hand vs Jonathan Little Wpt FT Bubble
 

how are you playing JcTd?