Re: Playing OOP w/ 99
 

Fonkey is dead on...you've already repped 44/33/combo draw, so fire again and hope he can fold AJ+..if you know he can't fold then just ch/f the turn.

Donking the flop isn't a part of my game, but if it was I dont think this would be a spot I would choose to do it in. I mean, with the nit and another solid player in the hand, the TAG isn't going to cbet a very wide range very often..so just c/f the flop. If it gets checked around bet the turn for value/protection (depending on what falls obv).

Re: Playing OOP w/ 99
 

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So, it's standard for you guys to squeeze an MP raiser w/ mid pairs??? This seems contradictory to what a lot of good players advise. Most good players don't like 3betting OOP w/ mid pairs, so why is squeezing so good?

And what is so terrible about donking this particular flop?

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Hell yea its standard!! I squeeze anything pretty

Re: Playing OOP w/ 99
 

squeezing is better pf although flatting is OK

don't lead though

Re: Playing OOP w/ 99
 

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BGnight,

"This seems contradictory to what a lot of good players advise. Most good players don't like 3betting OOP w/ mid pairs, so why is squeezing so good?"

Where exactly have you read this may I ask? Sounds made up. Generic sentiments such as this are not made by 'good players'.

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actually squeezing becomes less attractive the lower the pp. i would flat 66s here.

Re: Playing OOP w/ 99
 

Umm.....this isn't 66. This is 99. Big difference. If OP posted the hand and said his hand was 66 I probably wouldn't have made the statement,

"Versus these opponents I squeeze PF and follow through with a sizeable flop bet and shut down if called."

Re: Playing OOP w/ 99
 

lol ur so bad

Re: Playing OOP w/ 99
 

most of the time 99=66=22 after you squeeze. So obv better to squeeze with 66 then 99.

Re: Playing OOP w/ 99
 

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most of the time 99=66=22 after you squeeze. So obv better to squeeze with 66 then 99.

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man this statement makes my head hurt.

Re: Playing OOP w/ 99
 

shouldn't be too hard to understand, not to the extent that you should get a headache anyway

Re: Playing OOP w/ 99
 

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shouldn't be too hard to understand, not to the extent that you should get a headache anyway

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do you know why squeezing with lower pocket pairs is worse? I can tell you if you want.

we have a hand with value aka 66. We want to maintain this value i.e. we don't want to turn our hand into a bluff.

calling 66>squeezing because the money we make from flopping sets/oesds are > then the amount of times we make money off squeezing.

when we squeeze with 99 we are squeezing for value. we are ahead of most villains calling range. This is why squeezing with 99 is better than squeezing with 66. we are squeezing for totally different reasons. v

VALUE OF 99>BLUFF OF 66.

its illogical to turn a hand WITH VALUE into a bluff. even more so when the implied value of our hand is >than the amount of money we gain from a successful squeeze.