Re: 3bet Pot OOP w/ AKs
 

call the river, i don't really hate PF all that much (though i agree that i typically 4b more often).

Re: 3bet Pot OOP w/ AKs
 

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call the river, i don't really hate PF all that much (though i agree that i typically 4b more often).

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same thoughts here. preflop is ok as long as you arent just folding every time you miss

Re: 3bet Pot OOP w/ AKs
 

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if you have a decent 4-bet strategy, there is nothing wrong w/ALWAYS 4-betting AK.

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yes there is

Re: 3bet Pot OOP w/ AKs
 

i think i 4bet PF although the call isn't that bad if you are c/r shoving alot postflop.

as played call the river

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if you have a decent 4-bet strategy, there is nothing wrong w/ALWAYS 4-betting AK.

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yes there is

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ehh...explain please.

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if you have a decent 4-bet strategy, there is nothing wrong w/ALWAYS 4-betting AK.

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yes there is

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ehh...explain please.

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Yeah seriously. I think I 4b AK every time I am 3b. There is nothing with 4-betting it every time IF you have a balanced 4-betting strategy.

Edit- I think its definately best to 4-be when OOP.

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Anyone saying auto 4 bet preflop every time without exception always always is tilting me. Are you guys never check/raising ace and king high flops as bluffs? If you always 4bet AK check/raising either of those flops you'll be repping such a narrow range it's meh.

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I literally can't even remember the last time I c/r an Ace high flop in a 3 bet pot. I just don't do it. It's not even part of my game. I (95% of the time I do it all the time) bet any flop in a 3 bet pot. Especially Ace high flops, with or without an ace. In my eyes I get more value from hands that way, I often win the pot on the flop, as well as when I hit my ace with big hands it will cost him alot if he a) doens't have an ace or b) played a weaker ace. just to find out if I have an ace or not.

IMO you lose alot less when in a 3 bet pot by cbetting on Ace high flop vs c/r bluffing. You can often win the pot with a cbet and you can fold to a raise. I would much rather have to make villain commit alot of chips on a bluff or to find out if I do have an ace or not, vs me being the one doing so.

Re: 3bet Pot OOP w/ AKs
 

I can see calling preflop in position, but OOP this is a 4-bet every time IMO.

As for the river, we don't beat much but I just can't see folding since we basically have to put him on a slowplayed monster to do so. I call and expect to see a split/bluff quite often.

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if you have a decent 4-bet strategy, there is nothing wrong w/ALWAYS 4-betting AK.

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yes there is

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ehh...explain please.

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if you have a decent 4-bet strategy, there is nothing wrong w/ALWAYS 4-betting AK.

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yes there is

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ehh...explain please.

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Yeah seriously. I think I 4b AK every time I am 3b. There is nothing with 4-betting it every time IF you have a balanced 4-betting strategy.

Edit- I think its definately best to 4-be when OOP.

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Always 4betting AK is like handing cash to people out there who dont 3bet hands like JJ and AK. They are hard to spot and there arent really many of them but "ALWAYS 4betting AK" has something inheritly wrong with it because pf aggression is often opponent-dependant so I decided to mention it.

add: even if you have a very well thought out and balanced 3betting/4betting strategy you just simply have to dump the strat-table sometimes and against some players.