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AGame18 11-21-2007 03:28 PM

Re: 330$ live - final table K7s vs chip leader
 
Limping (planning to fold to any raise), open folding, and making it 3x (and folding to a shove) are all viable options. Not really a tough spot imo.

Bakes 11-21-2007 04:13 PM

Re: 330$ live - final table K7s vs chip leader
 
except for open folding

shaundeeb 11-21-2007 04:17 PM

Re: 330$ live - final table K7s vs chip leader
 
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i probably just call

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I hope Exit's actually good at poker because I generally agree with him.


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he's the original wafflecrushee obv good.

MaverickUSC 11-21-2007 07:13 PM

Re: 330$ live - final table K7s vs chip leader
 
LIVE is a huge element in this hand.

2.5x-fold/c-bet > limp-fold/c-bet > all other options

I think history between the blinds is important here. How does villain see you?

Devo

registrar 11-22-2007 07:42 AM

Re: 330$ live - final table K7s vs chip leader
 
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LIVE is a huge element in this hand.

2.5x-fold/c-bet > limp-fold/c-bet > all other options

I think history between the blinds is important here. How does villain see you?

Devo

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Man, I don't know. You've got a [censored] more experience live than I have, but I think raising small, OOP, agaisnt the chipleader, who we're told is good, with an otherwise even distribution of stacks, and really steep payout structure, and stacks that mean that he can raise-fold fairly comfortably, is just begging to get raped. Obviously, there is lots of relevant and crucial information that is missing from OP and perhaps LIVE does indeed mean that we can play exploitably without fear of being exploited, but I really think that raising 2.5x in this spot with this hand is fundamentally so bad that we should avoid it (in a vacuum). We're only happy when we take pot down instantly and that's almost never going to happen unless we have the best hand by a margin. The read we have is that he'll probably call with a wide range and he then has every advantage except is holding - which is probably the least important factor when ours is relatively weak.

AcTiOnJaCsOn 11-22-2007 10:42 AM

Re: 330$ live - final table K7s vs chip leader
 
call or fold depending on how agressive he is on limpers

AGame18 11-22-2007 10:56 AM

Re: 330$ live - final table K7s vs chip leader
 
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except for open folding

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I really don't see anything wrong with open folding K7 with this stack. Obviously it's going to be ahead of a random hand in the bb especially suited, but you're still going to be in an awkward position no matter how you decide to play it. If villain is half decent which I'm guessing he is with this description,"BB so far has played very solid poker preflop but made some tricky play post flop, he is good," then he is going to be raising limps with a super wide range (quite possibly any 2) and if we decide to 3x or more into him he can certainly call us in pos. with a wide range and now we're stuck playing a raised pot oop with K7 vs. someone who can bust us.

I bet ActionJeff would open muck.

ActionJeff 11-22-2007 03:00 PM

Re: 330$ live - final table K7s vs chip leader
 
I think 3x+ and call are best options, depends on the villain. With this type of stack size, against a stronger aggro villain I am still playing tight in small blind but also limping in with playable hands like this (and some big hands. K8o or w/e would be a fold unless bb was weak. SB play is COMPLETELY dependent upon the big blind and how he reacts to raises. Solid doesn't give enough info to create an appropriate strategy vs. him.

-Jeff


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