Re: JJ river play
 

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i think river is a b/f, as others said.

but is the turn a clear 3-bet? it feels close to me.

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with no reads, I think it's bad.

The guy can easily have AA-QQ here, and all we really beat is a hand like A8s, or two big diamonds.

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Given the preflop and flop action, I don't think AA-QQ is very likely.

Re: JJ river play
 

Tough spot. I agree w/ whoever said basically every line is exploitable. Vs someone I respect I can see b/c cause as noted it's not a bad spot for a bluff raise. By the same token a good player's "worse hand calling range" is pretty narrow (98/K8?). You have to include 9x & busted [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]'s as part of his range too. I don't really have a big problem w/ the vaginal c/c here vs. an unknown and if I get V-towned by Ax I'll sexy his ass next chance I get.

Re: JJ river play
 

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i think river is a b/f, as others said.

but is the turn a clear 3-bet? it feels close to me.

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with no reads, I think it's bad.

The guy can easily have AA-QQ here, and all we really beat is a hand like A8s, or two big diamonds.

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Given the preflop and flop action, I don't think AA-QQ is very likely.

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are you kidding me?

I can't believe tags haven't figure out to never cap AA and KK in position against other tags. Just call, and call the flop and raise the turn, or just raise the flop and call so you can raise the turn.

If I take this line, I will have JJ beat most of the time.

This is the reason not capping AA here vs. good players is a good play, because you get them thinking, "They can never have AA here, I have JJ, I 3town"

Re: JJ river play
 

At first glance I thought turn was an easy 3bet but since some people disagreed I done a wee stove and here are the results:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

3,328,535 games 15.819 secs 210,413 games/sec

Board: 3d 7c 8h 6d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.358% 43.03% 00.34% 1432233 11367.50 { 55+, AdKd, AdQd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad2d, KdQd, KdTd, K9s, QdTd, Q9s, Qd8d, Qd7d, J9s, Td8d, Td7d, A9o-A8o, A5o, K9o, Q9o, J9o, T9o }
Hand 1: 56.642% 56.32% 00.34% 1874557 11367.50 { JcJd }


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349,332 games 3.932 secs 88,843 games/sec

Board: 3d 7c 8h 6d
Dead:

Does this range seem reasonable to you guys? All are within a typical CO opening range IMO

FWIW if i take AA and KK out of his range we get 61% in our favour

I think The Hip has a valid point about some tricky plaers playing aces and kings this way but we dont have any reads in this particular example and IMO its reasonable to assume that a typical unknown opponent caps aces or kings preflop