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Where I play (Atlantic City) any rumors of the death of the NL boom would be greatly exaggerated.

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Give it time.

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I think the OP might be in Oceanside, where, yeah, the NL games are evil tough compared to anywhere else. But I play everywhere in SoCal and Vegas, and it's only O'11 that's like that.

As to the comments about limit vs NL, I don't think they apply to the pseudo-NL games that LA spreads, the 5-10 $500 max buy-ins, which are kind of a nice compromise between NL and limit.

And as to the net kids being tough, I think it's a myth. A million billion hands of online poker still provides 0 hands of real poker experience. I play 5/5, 5/10, 10/10 and 10/20 NL all around, and there are very few good young players in these games, and the handful that are good ARE good because they're smart and have good instincts, which they'd have without ever playing online. People either approach the game as something to be studied, or as gambling fun. A thousand hands live, well-thought out (which you have time to do, live), is better experience that a gazillion hands of 10-table click-click-clicking where you don't get to see you opps and learn.

What online does do is create legions of deluded young boys who think they're good at basketball because they win at tennis.

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Also, even if the OP isn't talking about O'11, I'll say the games are drying up a bit there anyway. San Diego is getting crunched by the real estate crash. Mortage brokers, real estate agents, flippers, contracters, and good old fashioned HELOC-to-play degenerates are disappearing from the games.

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I have often stated that limit poker will make a comeback but I am 50/50 if limit Holdem comes back or HORSE or a mixed game of some type becomes the new NL Holdem.

I really hope O/8 in the next big thing but I am not holding my breath.

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I would love it if a mixed game like horse took over in the near future, because I'm sick of hold'em, especially no limit. I'd prefer stud-8 over omaha-8, but I doubt a split pot game would replace hold'em ever.

I wanna play "screw your neighbor pineapple." You pass one card left preflop, and fold one card on the flop. No split pots, high only. I haven't tried it yet, but I think it will be an action game, we'll find out soon enough.

Al

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I would be estatic if I could occasionally GET a O8 game going here where I play.

Re: The casino I frequent is drying up...
 

The NL action in my particular, small CA casino is really getting alot tougher, overall. It seems as though the tables have a greater strong player to weak/fish ratio. The limit action, curiously, seems stronger than ever which probably indicates the fish have had enough of being beaten at the NL tables and have went back to limit.

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I think the OP might be in Oceanside, where, yeah, the NL games are evil tough compared to anywhere else. But I play everywhere in SoCal and Vegas, and it's only O'11 that's like that.

As to the comments about limit vs NL, I don't think they apply to the pseudo-NL games that LA spreads, the 5-10 $500 max buy-ins, which are kind of a nice compromise between NL and limit.

And as to the net kids being tough, I think it's a myth. A million billion hands of online poker still provides 0 hands of real poker experience. I play 5/5, 5/10, 10/10 and 10/20 NL all around, and there are very few good young players in these games, and the handful that are good ARE good because they're smart and have good instincts, which they'd have without ever playing online. People either approach the game as something to be studied, or as gambling fun. A thousand hands live, well-thought out (which you have time to do, live), is better experience that a gazillion hands of 10-table click-click-clicking where you don't get to see you opps and learn.

What online does do is create legions of deluded young boys who think they're good at basketball because they win at tennis.

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I couldn't disagree more. Live pro's usually suck.

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Also, even if the OP isn't talking about O'11, I'll say the games are drying up a bit there anyway. San Diego is getting crunched by the real estate crash. Mortage brokers, real estate agents, flippers, contracters, and good old fashioned HELOC-to-play degenerates are disappearing from the games.

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Brings up a good point. News story today is that Starbucks sales are down for the first time. This is attributed to the economy and fewer people having extra $$ to spend on $4 lattes. Poker is certainly impacted by the loss of extra money to have fun with.

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This why in the pre-boom days casinos would not spread NL. They started spreading it with the boom because people that had never played poker in a casino were coming in demanding it.

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Just like when cigars were hot. Time to start shorting NL.

Re: The casino I frequent is drying up...
 

I don't think so Al, but only time will tell. I think limit will dry up first. Then deep-stack NL. Middle-stack NL will be the last to go.

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I think the OP might be in Oceanside, where, yeah, the NL games are evil tough compared to anywhere else. But I play everywhere in SoCal and Vegas, and it's only O'11 that's like that.

As to the comments about limit vs NL, I don't think they apply to the pseudo-NL games that LA spreads, the 5-10 $500 max buy-ins, which are kind of a nice compromise between NL and limit.

And as to the net kids being tough, I think it's a myth. A million billion hands of online poker still provides 0 hands of real poker experience. I play 5/5, 5/10, 10/10 and 10/20 NL all around, and there are very few good young players in these games, and the handful that are good ARE good because they're smart and have good instincts, which they'd have without ever playing online. People either approach the game as something to be studied, or as gambling fun. A thousand hands live, well-thought out (which you have time to do, live), is better experience that a gazillion hands of 10-table click-click-clicking where you don't get to see you opps and learn.

What online does do is create legions of deluded young boys who think they're good at basketball because they win at tennis.

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I couldn't disagree more. Live pro's usually suck.

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Live pro's usually suck online and online players at least start out bad live. Different skills are often stressed. It's a completely different game.

I can't even post my most interesting live hands here because the reads simply don't translate well into these forums and standard strategy simply doesn't apply.

Reads such as, I knew she was an experienced player because she came to our soft table after requesting a table change and the floor person treated her like a long time regular. With 2 seats available she quickly eyeballed the stacks and players and chose the seat left of the aggressive big stack. Even though she was only 5 hands in I strongly felt that the check raise on the turn with that draw heavy board had to be the As5s for a monster draw with 6 extra outs she picked up. I called with only 2nd pair.

People just laugh at this kind of stuff on these posts.