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Dagger78 11-14-2007 10:40 PM

Re: lolriver
 
If you feel you can generally fold to a raise I prefer to bet/fold. Although I still think he's going to fold alot of hands you beat.

C/C if you feel he'll accidentally bluff the river with a perfectly showdownable hand(an error I feel is made quite often live).

bakku 11-14-2007 10:46 PM

Re: lolriver
 
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If you feel you can generally fold to a raise I prefer to bet/fold. Although I still think he's going to fold alot of hands you beat.

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other than MAYBE KJ (which probably isn't folding anyway) what hands that we beat are folding?

Dagger78 11-14-2007 11:05 PM

Re: lolriver
 
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If you feel you can generally fold to a raise I prefer to bet/fold. Although I still think he's going to fold alot of hands you beat.



other than MAYBE KJ (which probably isn't folding anyway) what hands that we beat are folding?

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villian is listed a a "Tag old regular". I would assume that the only hands paying us off are QT, and QJ. Even those hands he might fold with a K and A on board. Other hands that are a pair and gutshot(T9,J9 specifically), are probably folding on the river.

The more I think about this hand I want to C/C and let him bluff at the ace.

bakku 11-14-2007 11:19 PM

Re: lolriver
 
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If you feel you can generally fold to a raise I prefer to bet/fold. Although I still think he's going to fold alot of hands you beat.



other than MAYBE KJ (which probably isn't folding anyway) what hands that we beat are folding?

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villian is listed a a "Tag old regular". I would assume that the only hands paying us off are QT, and QJ. Even those hands he might fold with a K and A on board. Other hands that are a pair and gutshot(T9,J9 specifically), are probably folding on the river.

The more I think about this hand I want to C/C and let him bluff at the ace.

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i'm retarded. i read that statement wrong so obviously what i wrote makes no sense

NinaWilliams 11-14-2007 11:32 PM

Re: lolriver
 
To everyone that says c/c to induce a bluff,

Which hands is he bluffing with?

Adebisi 11-14-2007 11:36 PM

Re: lolriver
 
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To everyone that says c/c to induce a bluff,

Which hands is he bluffing with?

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JJ TT J9 T9

HOWMANY 11-15-2007 12:43 AM

Re: lolriver
 
c/f or b/f. b/f is better imo

Hobbs. 11-15-2007 02:01 AM

Re: lolriver
 
so didn't answer this hand last night because was really torn on what to do. After thinking a little more and reading responses put me in the b/f camp.

n.s. 11-15-2007 01:51 PM

Re: lolriver
 
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To everyone that says c/c to induce a bluff,

Which hands is he bluffing with?

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JJ TT J9 T9

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I'd want a read that he is either a little clueless (i.e. he'll bet just because he thinks you are weak without thinking about you can call with) or aggressive enough to knowingly turn a made hand into a thin bluff.

For a thinking player, I'd give him credit to be able to recognize a defensive check, which is what a river check would look like here. That makes c/f sound like a pretty good line, but I think it loses too much value those times he would have made a crying call but checks behind instead. Also, c/f this river could be pretty bad for metagame - this guy will probably have it if he bets, but other players at the table will just see that you check-raised, bet, and check-folded when an A came. I suppose that could be a good thing if they already bluff too much, but I wouldn't want to put ideas into the heads of otherwise predictable players.

Finally, I doubt this guy will bluff-raise the river here. Even if he thinks OP is too tight, she's played aggressively and didn't slow down when the A came (if you bet in rhythm), so he'd have to have a lot of tricky in him to do that.

So, I say b/f.


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