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Boise123 11-13-2007 02:46 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
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Growth as a player - how to proactively manage this, know when you're ready to move up, etc.

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acbom 11-13-2007 06:12 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
*Playing out of position;
*Playing multiway pots (how creative / straightforward to play?);
*More metagame - when to stop playing etc;
*Winning the most money early on from the bad players;

JammyDodga 11-13-2007 06:30 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
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Psychology of the game - avoiding / managing tilt & emotion / impulsiveness / stupid behavior, how you might influence opponents in this area to your advantage, etc.


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Also, table dynamics and flow, and how this effects play. Alot of the analysis here is taken as if each hand was played in a vacuum.

bookish 11-13-2007 06:48 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
There's a great post in the NL cash forums by fimbulwinter originally here but also below about when to move up from one level to another, and it would be interesting to get your (and others) perspectives on it from a MTT perspective.


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first off you should never view it as a quantum leap kinda thing. just take little shots when you feel comfortable, have the money and are good enough. here's a hand waving yardstick:

try 50NL when:

- you're confident in your preflop game
- you understand position
- you have a good idea of their hand by the river
- you have an ok feel when to continuation bet
- you have 500 or more

100NL when:

- you're confident playing draws
- you can spot good semibluff opportunities
- you can lay down AA/KK unimproved
- you're attacking the blinds in easy steal situations
- you have 1200+

200NL when:

- you're ok betting your stack on a draw
- a PFR from you doesnt always mean AA-JJ and AQs+
- you're starting to play one hand while holding another
- you have more than one mode
- you have 3000 or more

400NL when:

- you can ID profitable preflop steals
- you know how to pick between b3b and c/r
- position factors heavily into your play
- you're good at manipulating pot size
- you have 6000+

1K NL when

- your lines don't define your hand
- you're good at playing and winning lots of small pots
- your oop opponent must hold a strong hand to win a pot from you
- you understand the real math of the game at least at a basal level
- you have 20000+

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umistboy 11-13-2007 08:01 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
I know Adanthars done a thread on MTT Turbo Sattellites but he concentrates more on seletion.

Would love to see an indepth discussion involving hands from these tourneys. I think we could all improve our ICM/Pushbot play.

MatteyA28 11-13-2007 08:12 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
An article on adjustments to make when playing live mtts vs online would be great.

PsYcOsNiPeR 11-13-2007 09:49 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
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There's a great post in the NL cash forums by fimbulwinter originally here but also below about when to move up from one level to another, and it would be interesting to get your (and others) perspectives on it from a MTT perspective.


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first off you should never view it as a quantum leap kinda thing. just take little shots when you feel comfortable, have the money and are good enough. here's a hand waving yardstick:

try 50NL when:

- you're confident in your preflop game
- you understand position
- you have a good idea of their hand by the river
- you have an ok feel when to continuation bet
- you have 500 or more

100NL when:

- you're confident playing draws
- you can spot good semibluff opportunities
- you can lay down AA/KK unimproved
- you're attacking the blinds in easy steal situations
- you have 1200+

200NL when:

- you're ok betting your stack on a draw
- a PFR from you doesnt always mean AA-JJ and AQs+
- you're starting to play one hand while holding another
- you have more than one mode
- you have 3000 or more

400NL when:

- you can ID profitable preflop steals
- you know how to pick between b3b and c/r
- position factors heavily into your play
- you're good at manipulating pot size
- you have 6000+

1K NL when

- your lines don't define your hand
- you're good at playing and winning lots of small pots
- your oop opponent must hold a strong hand to win a pot from you
- you understand the real math of the game at least at a basal level
- you have 20000+

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I think this would be a great idea, seeing as how many MTTers WANT and are constantly trying to get better and move up to the next level, yet have the problem of not know where to start. For example, when I analyze my game, I see what im doing wrong, but I do not know which leaks are irrelavent at the $10-$20 level as opposed to the $50 level.

tinty 11-13-2007 10:18 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Yeah there's a good MLG post on evolving as a player but your style of writing is very good and accessible and you really seem like someone who has taken their game on huge amounts in a very short space of time.

How much time do you spend analysing rather than playing?
How do you go about this analysis? fixing leaks etc

Thanks again for all of this.

greenstack 11-13-2007 11:41 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Great advice Mr. Bond, love the series !!

I would love to read about how a micro stakes MTT beginner has to adjust to improve his game and find a way out to step up the ladder.

When I say beginner, this is what I mean in my case:

- 200+ MTT
- Buy-in range: $0.25 - $2.2 and lately taking shots on the $5 and $10 ranges
- Read all the std. stuff: HoH 1, 2 &3, ToP, HFTAP, etc. and disciplined 2+2 reader
- Play about 7 MTT's weekly
- Started with a $50 deposit, BR now fluctuating between $100 and $150
- Positive ROI and near the 90% percentile on officialpokerrankings.com (bluestack)
- STILL NO BIG WIN !!

I'm sure there are other fellow micro players on similar situation that would benefit from expert advice on how to adjust all this great 2+2 contributions to be more useful on the micro ranges.

Thank you.

sapsuckah 11-13-2007 11:48 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
C-betting.

When to do it... when not to... how much... adjustments to number of players in the pot... adjustments to opponents' styles... when to do it on turn instead of flop... when to double-barrel... etc.

It's been an element of several of your posts, but I think it could stand a more in-depth discussion.

These lessons are excellent, Tony. Please keep them up and win next year's WSOP on karma alone.

(By the way, thanks to your bet sizing article, in the last 12 hours I have twice made small flop bets so that I could 3-bet push a draw with FE... both times villain raised me and both times he folded to the push. Sweeeeeeet.)


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