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Nick Royale 11-04-2007 06:57 PM

Re: ????
 
I like. Seems like you're only ahead A7 unless he's stupid.

jfish 11-04-2007 06:57 PM

Re: ????
 
and he should raise A3/33/QQ/AA on flop.

john kane 11-04-2007 06:59 PM

Re: ????
 
this seems like a perfect flop to check-raise massive on. your first to act, there is a preflop raise who is facing 3 opponents on an A high flush draw flop.

check-raise big will stink of semi bluff. even if he folds, meh, not bad for meta.

your never getting 3 streets of value here so lead flop sucks for that reason as well imo.

if anything check-call flop crai turn if flush misses.

given you've lead flop, i'd check the turn. your never betting the river (unless A or Q) and so he'll know you dont have the flush and so could bluff you off a stronger hand (as he appears to have done here). instead i prefer check-call or crai turn.

regardless though, flop lead seems bizarre imo, seems way to strong. who leads into a AcQx3c board first to act in a 4 way pot with a pfr with a [censored] hand. your defining your hand as strong right from the off, which isnt wise imo.

MATT111 11-04-2007 06:59 PM

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and he should raise A3/33/QQ/AA on flop.

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I dont think he should raise the flop with A3.

jfish 11-04-2007 07:00 PM

Re: ????
 
why not, most every tag 3bets AQ/QQ/AA.

d2themfi 11-04-2007 07:04 PM

Re: ????
 
Calling the flop lead with A7 seems pretty damn thin to me i would tend to disregard that as part of his range for the most part i think given his preflop stats, position and number of players ur betting into. Maybe in a vacuum this is a c/f, but like ship said if your ever bluff shoving this river to fold out AK AJ type hands then shoving it here seems good too

MATT111 11-04-2007 07:06 PM

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why not, most every tag 3bets AQ/QQ/AA.

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Dont know about history between you and villain obv.
Anyway if I was villain in this hand I would consider AQ a huge part of your range. If he raises the flop he is not getting the money in good vs. your range. Much better to wait and see what happens on the turn from his perspective.

d2themfi 11-04-2007 07:06 PM

Re: ????
 
but then again its hard to think of hands that would have got here as a bluff

sauce123 11-04-2007 07:22 PM

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i like shoving river a lot better than check/fold

WelshChip 11-04-2007 07:33 PM

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you would shove the river with everything that beats AK


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