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Ship Ship McGipp 11-02-2007 08:14 PM

Re: Hand 1: 100/200 live vs TheTakeover
 
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Is this like KQ 70% of the time?

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first thing i thought of

fwiw i think he should check the river with KQ tho, buw what do i know

gman06 11-02-2007 08:25 PM

Re: Hand 1: 100/200 live vs TheTakeover
 
I'd fold the river and I would have played the hand the same way you did. I also agree this is exactly KQ a lot.

Matt Flynn 11-02-2007 08:51 PM

Re: Hand 1: 100/200 live vs TheTakeover
 
why KQ only and not K4? K4 > KQ > 44 > JT i'd think if he's strong. would he really check JT on the turn? or 44? are you that aggressive?

agree vs. most players this is minumum a straight way more often than hand you beat. but first thing i thought was call. it's just such a good bluff situation for a fearless player against a strong opponent. i mean what does nick put you on that you'll call? i've never played him live though, and his checkraise on flop would have to be a draw or a monkey for me to be right, so i'd try to talk myself out of it. with "solid in a crazy game" guess it's a good laydown, especially if you're one of the crazy ones. but you don't make it sound like it's a game where people call crazy on the river.

Butcho22 11-02-2007 09:45 PM

Re: Hand 1: 100/200 live vs TheTakeover
 
Im having a hard time understanding why more people aren't advocating a 3 bet on this flop.

I'd be interested to hear some thoughts on that.

For those saying fold, you're folding 100% of the time?

luegofuego 11-02-2007 09:55 PM

Re: Hand 1: 100/200 live vs TheTakeover
 
im gonna respond in a lil more in detail in a while. but in schulmans shoes, a turn check with 44/KQ is super standard. and he WILL fold those to a turn pot+river shove (barring live tells).

luegofuego 11-03-2007 08:03 AM

Re: Hand 1: 100/200 live vs TheTakeover
 
hm, i so so soo like a pot+shove better than the standard line. but hey lets flip it around then, tell my why u DONT like it then.

i really dont think schulman will crai with 44 (which is what i put him on for the most part) here as that will be dumping money to the straight up noodles a huge part of the time. i think we have a pretty damn excellent opportunity to represent the nuts very believably and we have a huge draw to boot. u might say "well u dont make money in poker trying to make opponent fold sets" or whatever but thats a silly blanket statement. i dont think excellent players like nick will put his stack in here with mid two pair or bottom set if he doesnt have reason to believe OP is very tough and resourceful.

luegofuego 11-03-2007 08:05 AM

Re: Hand 1: 100/200 live vs TheTakeover
 
also, even tho i think this play is +ev by itself, we can not disregard shania right.

buckbomb56 11-04-2007 08:42 AM

Re: Hand 1: 100/200 live vs TheTakeover
 
fold pf

TheWorstPlayer 11-04-2007 09:33 AM

Re: Hand 1: 100/200 live vs TheTakeover
 
I never play in live games like this, so just curious what happens if you make it 2k to go preflop. And I like how you played the hand and I'd call the river probably but the arguments for a fold make it very close for me.

fslexcduck 11-04-2007 04:56 PM

Re: Hand 1: 100/200 live vs TheTakeover
 
im with luego 110% but hey i just love betting a lot of chips very often


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